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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri the

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former peace Envoy Tony Blair once told

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me Mano Mano that if he could he would

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invade Burma and Zimbabwe too for that

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matter now he's working for the very

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same Burmese Jun he was ready in 2003 to

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invade and topple a gig with Robert

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mugabi cannot be far behind Mr Blair

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just appointed to head the campaign in

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Europe Against Racism and anti-Semitism

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has had nothing to say about the

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murderous racist Rampage being conducted

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by his new friends in Burma and neither

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has on sansuk Ki the darling of liberals

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throughout the world as a result of her

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persecution by the Junta and not a

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single Muslim government busy killing

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each other in other parts of the world

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has lifted a finger to stop the genocide

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side against the rohinga Muslims Ramadan

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this month for them will be spent trying

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to avoid the knives of murderers or in

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the hold of listing ships threatening to

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take them to a watery grave joining us

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now to discuss the crisis is Mr tun King

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president of the Burmese rohinga

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organization in the UK tun tell us just

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how bad is the situation for the rohinga

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now well it's very shocking is very

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tragic Movement we are facing in our own

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country you can see

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8,000 uh people rohinga people are

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floating in high sea without food and

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water they were floating at high sea

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more than 6 days and Medias is looking

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at only 8,000 people floating at high

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sea but International Community like US

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Government UK EU governments they have

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to look at behind the scene more than

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1.3 million ringas are facing genocide

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in their own land that's why these

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people are fleeing this is what the

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situation they are facing that's why

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current crisis rohinga refugees are

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fleeing uh from BMA that's what these

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rohinga refugees are you know in that's

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why they're on the high seas yes and the

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focus mustn't be on those countries that

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will or will not let them in because the

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reason they're on the high seas in the

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first place is because their own

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countrymen are murdering them and the

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government of that country is tacitly

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encouraging it surely yes they are

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encouraging they are investing there and

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they are looking at you know Tor like

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Norway uh you know Telephone Company

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like us you know governments investors

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there they are they are not looking at

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Human Rights they are investing there

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and only they just talking about human

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rights but there is no such you know uh

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taking action practical action for I

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don't know if you were in Britain at the

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time but there used to be a lot of Human

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Rights stories about BMA when onang

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suuki was the victim of Human Rights

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abuses she became such a personality she

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won the Nobel Prize why are they

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ignoring the plight of more than a

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million ringas does it have anything to

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do with the fact that they're

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Muslim yes particularly if you look at

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the rohinga issue ringas are facing

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ethnic religious and political

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persecution and this is manate tragedy

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the government designed it to eliminate

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to wipe our to eliminate or to wipe out

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the rohinga from Arana State this is the

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government policy you can see the

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situation how International legal

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this issue and d s which is she's just

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silent she's not speaking up last week

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seven Nobel Prize

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winners speaking up about the situation

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of rohinga and calling to end systematic

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persecution of the rohinga which are

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amounts to genocide but until today

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she's not as speaking at all now I know

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why she's not speaking up because she's

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a hypocrite and I always knew that she

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was I knew she was a wrong one even when

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all the other liberals were faing over

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what can you say about those Western

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governments that were once upon a time

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part of a block against the Jun Mr Blair

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even told me as I said in my

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introduction that he would if he could

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invade and topple them in Burma now

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they're working for them and doing

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business with them that must make your

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blood boil this unbelievable this is

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very shocking and Mr B been two three

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times in BMA as far as we seen in medias

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but we didn't see uh any you know public

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statement from his office why he was

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there and what he raised about uh human

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rights issue particularly rohinga

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genocide whether he raised or not we

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never know you know I don't think he

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rais anything at all and he was there

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and we have seen you know nepo with the

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top level government's people he was

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speaking up there so no he what we can

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see is he been meeting all the top

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people in the regime and I can assure

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you he would not have been concerned

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about the rohinga although he's the head

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of a faith foundation and now he's the

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European Envoy Against Racism and

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anti-Semitism and xenophobia now

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xenophobia is the real reason for the

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barese persecution of the rohinga

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because they want to be ethnically pure

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Burmese they don't want to accept the

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rohinga as being Burmese on racial

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grounds am I right yes definitely that's

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right and what's the I mean many people

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are puzzled people in the west think of

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Buddhists as peaceful people who

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meditate and chant and uh are kind to

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animals and so on but they're not kind

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this a Buddhist thing or is it a Burmese

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nationalist thing or is it

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uh nationalist first

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and that's the way the government

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applied the government have been using

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many decades brainwash to the bomis

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people that ringas are not exist in this

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country they are illegal immigrant you

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can see how they manipulate the top

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level top level what I mean is president

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thaning with his own words he mentioned

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that these ringas are not citizen of

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Bama they are illegal legal immigrant

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the only solution is keeping them in

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camps and sending them to the third

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countries that is what he mentioned in

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11 July 2012 to UNR High Commissioner so

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words as a anti- ringa campaigning is

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very stronger and also as if you look at

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a background of in BMA you know uh

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nationalism is long time there but the

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government is the uh place in a key role

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currently they are after president

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campaign become a stronger as a result

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of that you can see 2012 a state

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organized ethnic cleansing or genocide

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happened in Arana State and thousands of

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rohinga were killed and hundreds of

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women were raped new epte system

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pushing 140,000 rohinga idps internally

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displaced persons in IDP camps and and

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whether you want to stay in camps

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without food or you want to leave the

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country he given us two option to the

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ringas that's why they are leaving from

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that uh only Malaysia and Indonesia have

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of the regional um governments responded

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disappointing they are talking you know

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uh we they giv shelter for one year and

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and so on these things but it's not the

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issue the issue is why these people are

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fleeing from the country why these

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people are how are the asan government

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towards the bures they put pressure on

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the Burmese government they we've been

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seeing many times they talk about it a

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lot uh but they never go as a practical

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action sometimes we have seen that they

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used to say it's a internal problem

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their internal problem we can't

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interfere it but it's become as a

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regional problem now uh you can see 29th

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of May they had a meeting the meeting

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was ended up like you know very

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surprisingly ended up they want to

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tackle human traffickers and this issues

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it's not the point they have to tell the

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bomes government you have to treat your

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own ethnic rohinga people as a human

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way you know you have to get on to

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restore their ethnic rights and

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citizenship rights otherwise you will

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face serious consequences this is the

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message they have to them 1.3 million

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people are facing this genocide and no

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one is speaking up at all and it's been

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declared as you say the bares jont has

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declared it that we will starve you in

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camps or we will Stampede you out of the

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country you can die one way or the other

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yes it's coming up to Ramadan what do

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the Muslim governments of the world have

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to say about this can't they lift a

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finger to help their co-religionists in

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Burma well uh we haven't seen that much

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action from them also um or organization

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of Islamic cooperation they raising the

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issue uh all the time and the point here

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is we need to see Collective action

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organization of Islamic cooperation US

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Government aan European Union have to

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come together to find a solution legal

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genocide denying the right to have

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citizenship denying the right to have

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medical treatment denying the right to

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have food denying the right to have

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education denying the right to have

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child creating a state sponsored

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violence against rohinga and pushing

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them to the camps and more than 140,000

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rohinga become idps and the blocking of

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eight and then they uh they are asking

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you whether you want to live as staving

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to death in this camps or you live from

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the country this is the clearly genocide

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that you can see what's happening clear

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as any example in recent times we appeal

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International Community they need to act

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before too late yeah it's the devil or

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the deep blue sea T thanks for coming on

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board thank you

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sock coming up after the break the

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Mortal threat to the most London of

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institutions the black cap we'll be

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Secretary of the licensed taxi drivers

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Association Steve welcome on the Sputnik

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just for those who don't yet know what

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does Uber do and why is it a threat Uber

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is a glorified mini Cab Company um

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anyone who's lived in the UK would would

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know there's two types of service

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there's the taxi service the black cab

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service that you hail on the street or

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you get at an airport or a station Rank

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and there's a mini cab which is a a

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traditional sort of saloon car that you

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can call up and and hire Uber is a

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glorified mini cab service but instead

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of being able to call it or book it on

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the internet you use it rather by an app

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on your smartphone so the mini cab

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didn't put the Black Cab out of business

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though many predicted that it might

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because black cabs offer something

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special and we'll come to that in a

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minute why is Uber such a mortal threat

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the the the big difference is that the

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taxi service in London is the most

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regulated and controlled taxi industry

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anywhere in the world um the drivers

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we're told what vehicles to drive we're

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told what to charge we are licensed uh

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very very strictly indeed we have to

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jump through so many Hoops you have to

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spend three or four years learning your

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way around lots and lots of controls on

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the taxi industry what's happened is

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we're now competing with somebody who is

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is is virtually unregulated Uber are

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being allowed to do what they want when

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they want um they're acting as taxi cabs

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in London they're driving a horse and

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cart through the rules and regulations

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that govern us and govern the mini cab

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industry and incidentally it's just not

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us that say this the established mini

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cab industry are saying the same thing

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um and what's happening they're being

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allowed to drive a horse and cart for

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the rules and regulations they're doing

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it exactly what they want completely

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unhindered by transport for London who

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regulate taxes and private hir in London

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under the mayor of Boris Johnson the

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mayor was here of Boris Johnson and as a

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result we we're struggling um we the

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unskilled labor driving uninsured cheap

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cars um being held on the street using

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an app using a mea to charge fairs all

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of these things they're not allowed to

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do all of them they're being allowed to

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do and uh The Regulators say to us when

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we say why are they being allow allowed

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to do this it's oh it's a competition

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well that's the their Mantra of course

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uh competition but it's not fair

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competition because my son-in-law is

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doing the knowledge at the moment hopes

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to be one of your members uh before very

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long if the trade still exists by the

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time he's finished uh these hoops that

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you talk about are necessary Hoops

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because they are character Hoops they

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are uh criminal record and other

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personality and behavior

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checks the standard of the vehicle has

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to be just so the cleanliness of it has

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to be just so and of course the

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knowledge of where you're actually going

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uh and and you can be held to account if

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you go the wrong way uh in a black cab

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but you can't in an Uber no Uber are

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allowed to do exactly what they want all

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of the things that you've said with as I

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say you transport for land set Affairs

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they make they make it they test me and

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and and your son-in-law will be tested

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that he knows every single Street within

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six miles of Charing without a SAT n he

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just knows all the names of the streets

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public buildings theaters restaurants

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anything that a passenger could want to

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know you have to know all of these

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things we're made to do they then tell

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us what to charge they make us drive one

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of the most expensive vehicles on the

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road a black cab um the cheapest one at

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the moment is about £40,000 to buy cost

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a fortune to run they do probably 18 20

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miles to the gallon and we constantly

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check for safety of the vehicle all of

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which is great you know the vehicle's

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checked on Street the Vehicles checked

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every 3 months to make sure it's safe on

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Street compliance officers turning up on

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ranks opening a bonnet checking

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everything all of which is great ures

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Public Safety unfortunately we're now

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competing with somebody and many of the

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vehicles are not even insured many of

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the people driving them and not even on

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the The Uber platform what's happening

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at the moment is you sign up for Uber

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and then during at the weekend you just

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give the phone to your brother or your

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neighbor and he goes out in the car he

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hasn't even been checked let alone that

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you've been checked he hasn't been

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checked they don't even know who's

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driving the car and the regulators and

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the police are telling us it's

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competition hardly a Level Playing Field

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all we're asking for is enforce the

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existing laws you wrote the laws you

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made them just enforce them we're happy

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to follow them why can't everybody else

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and you say competition but there are

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obviously places who successfully have

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banned Uber yeah Uber's been banned in

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various places around the world and the

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difference being that they weren't

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licensed or regulated there the idea of

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a license Market is that you have to

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comply with the licensing regulations

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before you can you can operate um I let

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me just give you some of the the the

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stories that we get from tfl now to be a

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licensed operator a mini cab operator

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there's various requirements you have to

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go through but one of them is you got to

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have a landline a fixed landline and

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that that ensures that the public can

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ring you and contact you so Uber haven't

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got a landline so when we say to tfl you

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a simple one there's lots of others

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haven't got a landline they say ah they

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only need a landline on the day they

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apply

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uh only on the day they apply why would

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anyone write legislation where you only

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needed a landline on the day you

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obviously Parliament intended them to

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have a landline there's no two ways

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about it now I introduced them as a 40

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billion US Corporation how on Earth did

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they amass that level of capital and

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what's the purpose of it if not to drive

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out all competition well firstly you're

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wrong it's probably approaching $50

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billion I'm now informed this week uh

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the the week before it was 48 billion

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I'm now told this morning it's

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approaching 50 billion Uber's business

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model is the complete mystery to many

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people what happens at the moment they

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get money in from various um Venture

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capitalists and various funding options

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and they pump it out the door in the

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form of free rides what they do at the

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moment if you sign up to Uber you'll get

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A10 pound voucher you then text George

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your code he gets A10 voucher he texts

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me I get A10 pound voucher once I get

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one you then get another one because

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they trace it back to you they're

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pumping money out the door um they're

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bringing it in and they're spending it

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quite what the business model is I

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really don't see cuz at the moment

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they're not making any money they're

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just spending it yeah um but that's what

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you do if you want to create a monopoly

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um you you basically undercut everyone

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else free giveaways two for the price of

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one and all of that in this case three

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four five for the price of one and once

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you've got the Monopoly of course the

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market is yours to exploit as you will

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uh whereas your fairs are regulated

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theirs will not be and the only way will

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be up so how seriously are the cab trade

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taking this what do you plan to do as

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the leader of uh of the association

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right well what we did George the first

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thing we did we we approached the bar

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and transport for London and we laid out

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very specific and clear breaches of the

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rules and regulations by Uber and we

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said these are the offenses they're

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committing is is is the they they're

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using a meter they're not allowed to

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they're accepting automatic house in the

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street they're not allowed to the driver

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takes the booking in the car they're not

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allowed to it's meant to be done an

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operation Center um that they're they're

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taking a booking in London and

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processing it in Holland in order to

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avoid paying tax I'll come to that in a

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moment they're supposed to be taken to

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so we lay this big long list of

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complaints in front of the regulator and

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we say this is what they're doing

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they've then come back it took them

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months to come back they've come back

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with various reasons why they don't

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think it's quite illegal and why perhaps

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they should be doing this lots and lots

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of very lame excuses to why they're not

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operating as a result of that and

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they're refusal to act uh we' have taken

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out private prosecutions against Uber

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and the first one we've taken out is for

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the use of meter they very clearly using

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a meter to price fairs um that's

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currently going before the high court

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we're very shortly to issue private

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prosecutions for applying for hire

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taking bookings in a car and operating

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without a license once again our members

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having to fund this because the

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regulator won't do it questions need to

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be asked as to why the regulator won't

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do it it's very clear what's going on um

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and and all the time it's an uphill

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struggle we get to the magistrates court

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and the first thing the magistrates want

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to know is well why the why are the

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authorities not doing this why are you

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doing it why is if it's a the issue you

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say the the regulator should act we're

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we're on the back foot all the time but

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we are in the courts we are pursuing

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Uber but we're fighting on two fronts

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not only are we fighting in the courts

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but Uber have got

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250,000 p a month PR budget which

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they're spending with the media across

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the media try and find many articles

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criticizing Uber just recently there's

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been a few but prior to that it was all

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good news with Uber because of the money

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they're spending with journalists

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because of the money they're spending

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with PR and marketing

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companies we're fighting an uphill

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battle

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but we've taken to the streets on

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several occasions to raise our profile

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we're shortly to raise our the whole

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profile of the matter let me tell you

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what Uber do they're very very careful

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who they employ they pay big money and

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they very select who they employ they've

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just employed Rachel wetstone she used

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to be the head of PR and marketing at

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Google her husband is Steve Hilton the

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famous Downing Street Guru personal

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friend of David Cameron in fact I

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believe she was the god parent to one of

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his children he's now David Cameron when

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we did a demonstration last week has

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popped up Suddenly in favor of choice

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and he's in favor of the consumer quite

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why he's in favor of the consumer being

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put a RIS by an unregulated an

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unlicensed firm is is a questions that

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need to be

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asked all of this is to keep exerting

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Uber's influence their tentacles are

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getting deep into politics I mean you

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know more than most the the lobbying and

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stuff that goes on there are not trouble

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Cameron that they don't pay tax because

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of all these devices doesn't seem to

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trouble Cameron at all it certainly

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doesn't seem to trouble George I'm right

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about that they don't pay tax Uber don't

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pay any tax in the UK this $50 billion

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US Corporation of Dom inside their self

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in Holland in Holland they've got

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special vat exemptions of only 6% for

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transport companies so they take

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advantage of that by diling theel in

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Holland in the UK they'll tell you

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they're not a Transport company they're

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a technology provider yet they doil

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theel in Holland and tell the Dutch

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authorities they're a Transport company

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to take advantage of that they're not

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paying a penny tax in the UK and the

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irony of it is Uber sell their to um as

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as potential earning income to to um to

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unskilled people they tell them you can

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become a mini C driver come on to Uber

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and you'll earn £40,000 a year and

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understandably with the economy the way

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it is and unemployment the way it is

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many people sign up to that that

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lifestyle and that commitment why

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wouldn't you they get theirself a car

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they they they get theirself a a mini

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cab license and very quickly they

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realize that in order to earn minimum

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wage uh they've got to be working 12 or

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14 hours a day if they want to earn

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anything above minimum wage they got to

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be working 8 18 hours a day as a result

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many of the mini Uber drivers are

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claiming tax credits and other

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department of work and pensions benefits

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which they're entitled to for not

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earning enough money so they're not Uber

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ain't paying us tax and the taxpayer is

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paying Uber's drivers sounds like a

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David Cameron scheme to me Steve we've

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got to leave it there but we're going to

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talk about this again good luck with

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your

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campaign and now it's your time to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling gatri well

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a lot of outrage obviously on the

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situation of the rohinga Muslims sayat

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says lack of unity will always cause

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Muslims to suffer humiliation no matter

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what # OIC and a surprising response on

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the Uber matter there seems to be a lot

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of uber fans out there Adam Tudor says

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consumer demand and the free market win

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adapt and overcome or become obsolete

609
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yes well that's the law of the Jungle uh

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some of us don't want to live in the

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jungle loric adds the public seems to

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favor Uber cheap and convenient black

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caps have to adapt or face Extinction

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well uh depends uh how convenient it is

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if you get into an uninsured lousy

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saloon car sleepy uh with a driver who's

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been working 18 hours and whose

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background has not been checked and who

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might just be well dodgy won't seem so

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cheap and convenient then well that's

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all that we've got for this week which

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alas means that's the end of the show

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you can stay in touch with us on Twitter

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at rtor Sputnik and on Facebook Sputnik

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on Russia today it's goodbye from me

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gatri and from me George Gall it's been

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marvelous

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