1 00:00:03,130 --> 00:00:06,219 [Music] 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,440 c i 3 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,719 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 4 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,559 with me George Galloway and me gri the 5 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:45,760 British arms trade is booming all over 6 00:00:43,559 --> 00:00:48,559 the world especially where there's war 7 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,039 or the possibility of it in both cases 8 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:53,680 British foreign policy is closely linked 9 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:56,760 to the arms trade we start the wars 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:59,600 Insite them fuel them and in every case 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,039 the human tide washes up on our Shores 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,400 then we cried jny Foreigner cranking up 13 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:07,159 the xenophobia which in turn leads to 14 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,520 more demand for more Wars more weapons 15 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:13,200 and off we go again it's profitable for 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,000 sure arm sales from Britain to the Head 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,560 chopping Saudi despotism alone has raged 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,680 in more than 50 billion pounds over the 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,159 last 30 years at least neither are we in 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,960 any position to control the end result 21 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:28,680 weapons and training we sold to the 22 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:30,720 Saudis ended up crushing the Democracy 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,040 movement in bahin 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,520 weapons we are now selling the Saudis 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,560 are quickly transferred to Syria where 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:41,399 they end up in the hands of Isis and 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,759 Al-Qaeda and no doubt some of the bombs 28 00:01:41,399 --> 00:01:46,560 rockets and Napal pouring down on Yemen 29 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:49,280 originated here too joining us now is 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Andrew Smith from the campaign against 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,439 the arms trade a pretty uh hopeless 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,880 campaign isn't it Britain seems hooked 33 00:01:55,439 --> 00:02:00,719 to the arms trade well first of all 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,360 thank you for having me on today um I 35 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:05,039 mean we are trying to campaign ourselves 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,920 out of existence we want to end the arms 37 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:09,720 trade we want Britain to stop selling 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,840 weapons to merous dictatorships like 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Saudi Arabia murderous dictatorships 40 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,480 like bin and like the entire long list 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:21,040 of Tetro desports that the UK is selling 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,599 weapons to how's that going well I think 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,720 it's certainly marathan not a Sprint um 44 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,959 you know yourself when taking on any 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,720 vested interest or multi-billion pound 46 00:02:27,959 --> 00:02:32,120 industry that certainly there's an awful 47 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,040 lot of influence which the arms trade 48 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,440 has a corridors of power an example of 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,319 that was um earlier this year in January 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,319 when the ads which is kind of the trade 51 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:43,440 body that represents the arms trade held 52 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:45,879 its annual dinner in um the Hilton hotel 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,959 in Mayfair it's attended by over 40 MPS 54 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,879 from across the labor party of 55 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:51,400 conservatives and liberal Democrats the 56 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,120 guest speaker for the night was Vince 57 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,360 cable who was the government Minister 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,840 who was meant to be in charge of 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,080 regulating the arms trade the shadow 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,680 defense secretary was there as well ifer 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,319 links the arms trade has when in some 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,159 ways it's a little wonder that they 63 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,360 managed to carry such a loud voice it's 64 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,599 a criminal Enterprise isn't it if I was 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:12,760 handing out bread knives to gang members 66 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:17,040 here I'd be in prison uh but here we 67 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:19,040 have British companies Paka many of them 68 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,200 ending up in the House of Lords having 69 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,200 their dinners in Mayfair getting all the 70 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Great and the good there and what 71 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,440 they're doing is handing something much 72 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,920 more deadly than bread knives to people 73 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,360 who are much more deadly than gang 74 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:33,120 members well that's completely true I 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,080 mean the government takes a very 76 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,000 sensible position that it shouldn't be 77 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,840 easy for any of us to go into a shop and 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,959 buy a gun it's actually incredibly 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,319 difficult and quite right too because 80 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:44,159 the government's made the correct 81 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,760 calculation that if it's really easy to 82 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:48,120 get weapons and was more likely to be 83 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,319 crime on the other hand it has no 84 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,239 problem selling vast quantities of 85 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:54,959 weapons and actually every year 86 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:56,879 ukti um publishes its list of priority 87 00:03:54,959 --> 00:03:58,760 markets for arm sales and the most 88 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:01,599 recent list includes Bahrain it includes 89 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Saudi Arabia it includes a whole host of 90 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:06,040 really oppressive dictatorships and 91 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,239 regimes Saudi Arabia is the largest 92 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,879 buyer of UK weapons it's worse isn't it 93 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:12,040 because we're selling weapons to Saudi 94 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:16,280 Arabia that within weeks are in the 95 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,400 hands of the al-Qaeda and Isis forces uh 96 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:20,479 in Syria but I I want to take you back 97 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,040 to something that quite Illuminating 98 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:26,280 that you alluded to a minute ago this is 99 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,720 a bipartisan Affair labor MPS were at 100 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,240 that dinner the shadow defense minister 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,160 was at that dinner 102 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:36,840 when labor was in power I will remember 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:39,800 a conversation with Jack straw over the 104 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:42,840 uh the issue of selling weapons to the 105 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,160 Saro dictatorship in Indonesia this 106 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:47,520 after laor had promised that they 107 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,160 wouldn't do so and promised that they 108 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:53,000 would have an ethical foreign policy 109 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:56,000 what is it about this junk that they are 110 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,840 addicted to that uh spread so easily 111 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,880 across the front benches I think you're 112 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:03,720 correct is definitely not a party 113 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,919 political issue um as I say all the 114 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,680 parties were represented at that dinner 115 00:05:05,919 --> 00:05:10,479 I imagine your invite must have got lost 116 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,000 in the mail um but the all the main 117 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:15,280 parties were represented at that dinner 118 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,680 um and it was front bench spokes people 119 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,720 for all the parties that were giving 120 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,960 lots of warm words to the arm Street and 121 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,960 accepting very expensive dinners from 122 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,360 Arms Company Executives now if that 123 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,720 isn't going to well Mr Blair had uh a 124 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,880 very close relationship with dick Evans 125 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,360 a British AOS is the biggest of the arms 126 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,000 companies and indeed they're uh still 127 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,639 working happily together in uh some 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:43,160 parts of the former Soviet Union and 129 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:46,680 both doing very well thank you uh so the 130 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,720 the this relationship must be based on 131 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,479 uh something tangible and what's the 132 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,840 tangible is it money well with ba system 133 00:05:51,479 --> 00:05:56,600 specifically um in Robin Cook's 134 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:58,800 autobiography he spe he says that ba 135 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,080 systems in his words had the back door 136 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,560 key to dining Street and I don't think 137 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,639 he's talking literally but what he was 138 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,479 meaning was that Tony Blair would not 139 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:07,680 make a foreign policy decision without 140 00:06:05,479 --> 00:06:09,759 Bae being on board first and I think 141 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,120 with ba there is a very very close 142 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:13,479 relationship but part of it is because 143 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,240 of revolving door which we've seen from 144 00:06:13,479 --> 00:06:16,880 the corridors of power into the 145 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,880 corridors of the arms companies probably 146 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,080 the most naked example of that was Jeff 147 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,240 hon who was a defense secretary in the 148 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,759 last Labor government who gave a 149 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,240 contract worth 1.7 billion pound to 150 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:30,199 Augusta Westland and then funnily enough 151 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,000 after he left parliament in disgrace 152 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,960 might I add after a lobbying Scandal 153 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,319 turned up as head of European sales for 154 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,360 Augusta Westland so I think there's 155 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,560 certainly all these kind of connections 156 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,120 and I think transparency is most 157 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,880 important thing and if there's one trade 158 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,599 that doesn't like being transparent and 159 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,840 doesn't like having the results of its 160 00:06:46,599 --> 00:06:53,440 terrible crimes held up to public when 161 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:57,280 it's the arms trade um I wonder why uh 162 00:06:53,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Britain has such a primary role in this 163 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,759 industry has it always been the case or 164 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,440 is it more so post Tater era that it has 165 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,599 got nothing else to sell well it 166 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,599 certainly grew during the F years and 167 00:07:08,599 --> 00:07:14,160 certainly that's been the kind of policy 168 00:07:10,599 --> 00:07:16,280 ever since then um but actually we 169 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,160 always hear factious arguments about 170 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,120 creating lots of jobs but in reality 171 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,879 this isn't the case arms exports account 172 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,280 for about 0.2% of jobs in the UK economy 173 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,680 it's actually a very small sector but 174 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,479 it's a very small sector which has 175 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,479 always enjoyed a totally 176 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:32,680 disproportionate level of of support I 177 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:34,759 mean um we've got the DI Arms Fair 178 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,919 coming up in September in East London 179 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:37,599 which is going to be kind of like 180 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:39,440 glastenbury for the arms trade it's 181 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:41,879 going to bring together thousands of 182 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,599 Arms Company Representatives with lots 183 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,479 of politicians with almost every 184 00:07:43,599 --> 00:07:47,520 despotic dictatorship you could care to 185 00:07:45,479 --> 00:07:50,560 mention and it's being organized by the 186 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,159 government it's being organized by civil 187 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,560 servants it's going to have government 188 00:07:52,159 --> 00:07:55,360 ministers and attendance they'll be 189 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,680 doing a lot of a promotion for it and 190 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,800 that's a key point because the 191 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,599 government isn't a neutral bystander in 192 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,680 the arms Trad it um takes a deal from 193 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:05,280 company a and sells it to Country b or 194 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,400 whatever it's actually an act active 195 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,360 participant as well we've seen that even 196 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,599 in the last few months Philip Hammond 197 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,039 the foreign secretary has been in 198 00:08:10,599 --> 00:08:15,120 Bahrain openly lobbying for the Bahraini 199 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:16,680 government to buy Euro Fighter jets and 200 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,319 he's been openly talking about 201 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,840 negotiations in the Press there's no 202 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,840 attempt at secrecy because there doesn't 203 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,400 need to be the government is a proarms 204 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,919 trade government and wants to send that 205 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,720 message well it's it's glastenbury in 206 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:30,000 which the participants are up to their 207 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,880 knees in blood rather than mud 208 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,080 yes uh but it is a mark of Shame on 209 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:40,800 London that yet again we're going to 210 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:43,959 host uh this grizzly Bazaar where the 211 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,600 worst General isos are fed around in 212 00:08:43,959 --> 00:08:49,640 Ministry of Defense cars I've seen them 213 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,120 protected by British Military Officers 214 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:55,240 in no doubt bullet and bombproof 215 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:58,360 limousines fed out from their five-star 216 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,360 London hotels in the center of town out 217 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,320 to the East End 218 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:07,040 uh where they will be courted openly uh 219 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:10,120 no doubt there will be dodgy business 220 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:13,120 done as there has been done in the past 221 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:17,120 and off go these General isos with more 222 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:19,640 methods means of killing people now 223 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:23,200 that's a very direct example of the 224 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:26,040 State uh organizing this criminal 225 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,399 Enterprise but of course the taxpayer is 226 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,440 forced in many cases aren't they to 227 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:33,320 underwrite this through the export 228 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,839 credit guarantee scheme tell us about 229 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,760 that well yeah I mean there's often this 230 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:39,560 kind of misconception that the arms 231 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,680 trade brings in lots of money and we've 232 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:42,600 already talked about jobs but actually 233 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:44,920 on the money front it doesn't either 234 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,640 there's been some Studies have put 235 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,440 public that as a subsidized industry 236 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,120 arms exports Al loone cost taxpayers 237 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,360 about £700 million every year so because 238 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,360 of this it's it's partially because of 239 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,360 that partially because of the money 240 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,360 which gets spent on organizing all the 241 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,680 various arms trips and tours and part of 242 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,360 it on kind of promotion of events like 243 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:08,560 DIY and things like that so actually 244 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,320 it's not this kind of economic 245 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,440 Powerhouse of a country and even if it 246 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,399 was even if those kind of talks were 247 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,720 true even if there was any truth in it 248 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:18,760 whatsoever then see then that raises the 249 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,040 question of why the UK would be so 250 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,519 dependent on having to sell weapons to 251 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,200 some of the worst people in the world in 252 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:26,880 order to pay its way and actually 253 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,079 there's a very real human cost to this 254 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,640 as well because if we look to Egypt 255 00:10:29,079 --> 00:10:33,839 where UK tier gas has been used against 256 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,959 peaceful protesters we look to Hong Kong 257 00:10:33,839 --> 00:10:38,200 where UK tier gas again has been used we 258 00:10:35,959 --> 00:10:39,959 look to Bahrain where UK armored 259 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,279 vehicles were involved in putting down 260 00:10:39,959 --> 00:10:43,920 the Democracy protest in all of these 261 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,440 cases when the truth comes to light it's 262 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,360 only because of the good work of 263 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,680 journalists and activists on the ground 264 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,399 it's not because the UK government holds 265 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,800 up its hands willingly and um admits 266 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:57,040 that it's done all of these terrible 267 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,600 things no it says that uh it seeks 268 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,399 assurances uh that uh the weapons we're 269 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,519 selling will not be used for external 270 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:07,440 aggression or internal repression which 271 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:10,120 begs the question what are they there 272 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,760 for what's the weapons for if they're 273 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,360 not going to be used in either of these 274 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,839 two things well an interesting example 275 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,839 of this is Israel as well because in 276 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:20,160 2009 ven foreign secretor David 277 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:21,800 millerand gave a speech from the house 278 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,320 of comments where he said it was almost 279 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:29,000 certain UK arms had been used in the 280 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:31,880 bombardment of Gaza um in 2008 2009 and 281 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,959 of of course at the time he said we will 282 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,079 try and reflect on this in all future 283 00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:37,880 arm sales and of course nothing changed 284 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:41,360 and then actually last summer never 285 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:44,959 trust a Millie band then last summer um 286 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,680 UK arms again were almost certainly used 287 00:11:44,959 --> 00:11:47,920 against the people of Gaza we know this 288 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,959 because the Department of Business 289 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Innovation and skills did its own report 290 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:53,600 which found that there were 12 licenses 291 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,360 for weapons which were in their words 292 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,920 likely to have been used against people 293 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:00,200 in Gaza and I don't think that we're 294 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,200 going to suddenly see the UK stopping 295 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,000 exports to Israel even though it's shown 296 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,920 time and time again it will use UK 297 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,320 exports against the people of Gaza and 298 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,959 breaking the rules that the British 299 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,959 government says that it uh imposes but 300 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:14,440 hey some things never change but I must 301 00:12:11,959 --> 00:12:16,199 say your campaign is magnificent how do 302 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,199 people support the campaign against the 303 00:12:16,199 --> 00:12:19,720 arm straight well if you go onto our 304 00:12:18,199 --> 00:12:21,079 website there's an awful lot of 305 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,600 different activities and events that are 306 00:12:21,079 --> 00:12:24,440 coming up all across the country we've 307 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,600 got really strong local active groups 308 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,760 but we are going to be mobilizing and 309 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,959 and and campaigning for the D against 310 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,279 the dce armare when it rolls into town 311 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:34,639 this September as well um there's also a 312 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:36,959 lot of other things in website you can 313 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:38,880 actually see a list of every single UK 314 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:43,040 arms export that has been approved since 315 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:44,199 2008 so you can see the co the see 316 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,959 exactly what the weapons we've been 317 00:12:44,199 --> 00:12:49,199 selling to these terrible regimes are 318 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:52,279 Andrew we need you in Parliament good 319 00:12:49,199 --> 00:12:54,320 young Scotsman that coming up after the 320 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,360 break if the arms trade is bad for your 321 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,560 health wait until you hear about the 322 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,519 transatlantic trade and investment 323 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:03,959 partnership ttip if you stay tuned you 324 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:03,959 surely 325 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,959 will welcome back to Sputnik the ttip 326 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,760 negotiations between the EU and the US 327 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:23,160 have been almost wholly conducted in 328 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,839 secret and that's the shape of things to 329 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,240 come if the agreement is reached yet its 330 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:30,000 consequences for you are far more 331 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,120 profound than the recent general 332 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,959 election for example where at least 333 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,760 everything was out on the table ttip 334 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:39,639 would vastly extend the scale of 335 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:42,279 privatization into health education 336 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:44,240 water services and many other areas it 337 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:46,680 would give special corporate courts the 338 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,639 power to override National parliaments 339 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:50,759 and take us further down the road to an 340 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:53,519 orwellian future where what is called 341 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:55,880 freedom is in fact A New World Order of 342 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:58,759 corporate slavery joining us to discuss 343 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:02,440 it is agitator and chief in the campaign 344 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:05,600 against ttip Samuel L Samuel A Fine 345 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:08,279 title who you agitating on behalf of how 346 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,680 broad is the opposition to this 347 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:13,560 agreement and how close are we to its 348 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:15,399 conclusion there's about 300 plus 349 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,720 organizations across Europe campaigning 350 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,839 against this right now we've just 351 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,360 reached two just breached two the two 352 00:14:18,839 --> 00:14:24,720 million barrier in signatures from 353 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:26,079 across Europe opposing it um and it's is 354 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,839 is it close to coming to a conclusion 355 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:29,120 that's a very big question we don't know 356 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,639 is they're just coming up to the 10th 357 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,600 round of the negotiations it's been 358 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:35,920 going on for a couple of years already 359 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,519 and I would say that every six months 360 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,880 that goes by without it being concluded 361 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:40,720 probably puts on another year to the 362 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,639 time frame so far we've been holding it 363 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,480 up um quite are there any European 364 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,000 governments openly opposed to it there's 365 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,320 no European governments openly opposed 366 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 to the whole deal there are European 367 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,399 governments who have concerns about 368 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,639 specific aspects for example Austria who 369 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:56,560 um you mentioned in your introduction 370 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,920 the corporate courts aspect which maybe 371 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,680 we'll elaborate on in a little bit but 372 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,320 they they are specifically opposed to 373 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:06,440 that is unanimity in the EU required for 374 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,040 this treaty um yes it is in terms of the 375 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,120 council so they would all have to vote 376 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,839 it through whilst there are governments 377 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,480 against it the aim of the campaign is 378 00:15:11,839 --> 00:15:17,920 really to try and derail it before it 379 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:21,560 gets to that stage so the uh European 380 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:24,040 Union uh is one side the United States 381 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,800 is the other is it overwhelmingly 382 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:30,079 popular there no so uh as friends of the 383 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,440 earth we also have a group um in the USA 384 00:15:30,079 --> 00:15:32,880 and there at the moment there's a huge 385 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,959 campaign there against FasTrack 386 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,519 Authority which is another it's called 387 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:39,639 FTA there's lots of acronyms in the 388 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:41,160 trade world and what they're campaigning 389 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:43,000 against is giving the president the sole 390 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,319 authority to sign off trade agreements 391 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,759 without it going through Congress and 392 00:15:44,319 --> 00:15:48,759 the reason they're so worried about this 393 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:50,440 is because of ttip but also its sister 394 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,319 agreement the trans-pacific partnership 395 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,160 with the US which the US is negotiating 396 00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:59,720 with a many countries including Chile uh 397 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:01,440 Vietnam and um Japan and there's a lot 398 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,839 of concerns on the US side as well so 399 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,399 it's very much not one of those things 400 00:16:02,839 --> 00:16:07,560 of us in Europe just being anti- us 401 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:09,240 there's consensus amongst Civil Society 402 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,360 on both sides of the Atlantic that these 403 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,319 deals aren't good for people and should 404 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:17,639 be stopped well summarize for us just 405 00:16:14,319 --> 00:16:21,480 exactly uh how bad it would be for us at 406 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:23,079 its worst it would be very bad so I'd 407 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,440 say when we look at things at Friends of 408 00:16:23,079 --> 00:16:26,720 the earth we say our approach when it 409 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,480 comes to the economy is we want the 410 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,440 economy to work for people for the 411 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,839 environment M for the planet and we look 412 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,959 at ttip and we think that would work 413 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:36,040 against it uh if I can give some 414 00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:38,480 examples maybe of the different things 415 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,680 that could we could expect uh we could 416 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,360 ex businesses and the us having a lot 417 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,759 more influence on our laws we've already 418 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,680 seen some of this happen during the 419 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:48,839 course of the trade agreement uh 420 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,759 negotiations so we've seen um 421 00:16:48,839 --> 00:16:52,319 environmental law changed energy law 422 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:54,880 change so that we can import so that 423 00:16:52,319 --> 00:16:57,240 more tarand will be imported from the US 424 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,480 and Canada to the European Union and 425 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,240 that was um under pressure whilst these 426 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,519 negotiations were going on we've seen 427 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,799 chemicals that are endocrine disrupting 428 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,400 chemicals they're uh used in pesticides 429 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:09,480 we've seen the European commission 430 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,880 decision to ban those being cancelled 431 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,839 because of pressure from the US whilst 432 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,000 these trade agreements going on and then 433 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,439 also when you get to the isds mechanism 434 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,240 the investor State dispute mechanism 435 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:20,679 which is these corporate courts which 436 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,280 sees legal 437 00:17:20,679 --> 00:17:26,280 sovereignty being giving away I suppose 438 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,799 from the national Judiciary and 439 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,039 decisions are taken in arbitration 440 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:32,919 panels with usually three lawyers um for 441 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:35,240 vast amount of money to give an example 442 00:17:32,919 --> 00:17:37,280 of this uh Philip Morris is currently 443 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,960 suing the Australian government for 444 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,080 bringing in plain package cigarettes uh 445 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,640 a fracking company in Canada is 446 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,160 currently suing the Canadian government 447 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,880 for bring in a moratorium on fracking 448 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,000 for $250 million these are Under other 449 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,080 trade agreements so that one I just 450 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,840 mentioned is under NAFTA um at the 451 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,080 moment these this mechanism does exist 452 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,480 in some agreements the EU EU has got 453 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,880 actually quite a lot about 3,000 but 454 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,720 there's none 455 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,559 with the US so it'd be bringing in a 456 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,440 whole different dimension and they have 457 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:09,799 a different attitude to many things 458 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:13,039 there yes uh GM food for example is very 459 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:16,679 much bigger there than here almost 460 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:20,240 nowhere in Europe is it uh being openly 461 00:18:16,679 --> 00:18:21,200 promoted and sold whereas in the US it's 462 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,760 becoming 463 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:28,520 hegemonic uh the attitude to safety 464 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:30,799 standards chemicals pesticides and so on 465 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,320 uh would' all be profoundly and 466 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:36,640 negatively affected if us standards 467 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:38,480 absolutely became uh implementable here 468 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,280 and by courts irrespective of what 469 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,760 Parliament thought yeah exactly from 470 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,520 your examples it shows that the 471 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:48,600 multinationals are basically dictating 472 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,720 our our countries then I it is very 473 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,960 interesting so when you bring these 474 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,280 concerns so You' just mentioned to the 475 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,520 European commission who are in charge of 476 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,480 negotiating this they say oh don't worry 477 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,720 you know these aren't on the table these 478 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,200 is isues but you can actually see from 479 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,640 the US in the media their publicity what 480 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 their aggressive interests are what do 481 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,520 they want to get out of this and it's 482 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,080 exactly the things you've mentioned and 483 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,159 in any trade agreement it's a 484 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,360 negotiation there's got to be compromise 485 00:19:12,159 --> 00:19:16,840 and we just don't trust the European 486 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,919 commission not to compromise because the 487 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,240 European commission is also we're not a 488 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:22,960 sort of benevolent partner in this we 489 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,520 want things from the us we'd like access 490 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,320 to their public procurement markets for 491 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,559 European companies where they have 492 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,159 something called bi americ there which 493 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:31,880 is to try and Source local food for 494 00:19:29,159 --> 00:19:33,240 schools we don't like that so we'd it's 495 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,880 hard for me to believe that we wouldn't 496 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,360 trade off one one the other yeah 497 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,600 absolutely there's already concern in 498 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,559 this country it's why we've got a 499 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,679 referendum coming up on the European 500 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:47,000 Union about sovereignty being sucked 501 00:19:44,679 --> 00:19:49,960 from the national Parliament to the 502 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:54,080 European level much less responsive at 503 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:57,520 least in theory to public opinion uh if 504 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:00,600 the European Union then hands on much of 505 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:03,159 that sovereignty to corporate Courts for 506 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,880 example uh then where does that leave 507 00:20:03,159 --> 00:20:09,520 the ordinary citizen in European 508 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:12,600 countries leaves them uh up a gum tree 509 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,960 tell me how the privatization issues 510 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,919 arise from this so the privatization 511 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,840 issues I think the first initial concern 512 00:20:16,919 --> 00:20:20,960 was that the pro that the NHS would be 513 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,520 part of the deal that we would be trying 514 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,559 to sell off bits of it to the US um we 515 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,760 interestingly met with K Clark um last 516 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:28,799 year and he said why are you worried 517 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,559 about this we're doing it anyway but the 518 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:32,120 so the so the debate is actually a bit 519 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,480 more nuanced than that so whenever you 520 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,080 bring whenever this issue comes up with 521 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,679 the European commission they say no it's 522 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,000 not on the table look we've said this or 523 00:20:36,679 --> 00:20:39,720 this and this but actually it's the 524 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,919 corporate courts bit that people are 525 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,320 concerned about the the worry is that 526 00:20:42,919 --> 00:20:46,640 services that have been privatized will 527 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,080 become prohibit it'll become 528 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,159 prohibitively expensive to renationalize 529 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480 them in the future because these courts 530 00:20:51,159 --> 00:20:55,200 which happen outside of the national 531 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,640 Judiciary can you can get sued for a 532 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,159 vast amount of money the highest award 533 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,240 ever was $50 billion you know so so so 534 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:05,840 actual people's concerns are are less 535 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,200 based in the idea that it will mean that 536 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,159 the governments have to privatize 537 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,320 although if they wanted to this 538 00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:11,600 agreement would facilitate them doing it 539 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,320 it's to do with the fact that you would 540 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,440 not then be able to reverse it the uh 541 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,360 British courts of course uh reach 542 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,520 decisions which are appealable uh 543 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,840 sometimes appealable on several levels 544 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,200 and right up to the European level these 545 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,720 corporate courts will they have a right 546 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,240 of appeal and if so to whom as it stands 547 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,440 they do not have an appeal mechanism 548 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,840 this is this is one of the big 549 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,640 discussions going on in Europe at the 550 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,799 moment of they're trying to Rebrand 551 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520 these corporate courts to make them 552 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,840 palatable and one of the ideas is that 553 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,760 there might be an appeal mechanism 554 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,919 although this is all entirely on the 555 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,559 Europe right so this is entirely on the 556 00:21:42,919 --> 00:21:46,360 European side we don't know what the US 557 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:47,960 would agree to or not so they might not 558 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,720 agree to this I think something that's 559 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,840 quite interesting is the UK government 560 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,919 um back in 2013 I think April 561 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,799 commissioned a study um from the lsse 562 00:21:54,919 --> 00:21:58,279 the study was to look into what would be 563 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,480 the benefit of having these corporate 564 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:02,799 courts this isds mechanism to the UK in 565 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,360 an agreement with the US and the 566 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,320 conclusions were quite interesting it 567 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:09,400 was that there would be no political 568 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,320 Gain No economic gain some economic risk 569 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,679 some political risk so and then this 570 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,919 study was rarely heard from ever again I 571 00:22:14,679 --> 00:22:18,760 mean it's on their website if you know 572 00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:20,960 where to look for it so so government's 573 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,799 very aware that this isds mechanism 574 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,480 these corporate courts don't do what 575 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,919 they will achieve which is the idea is 576 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,559 it'll bring in more investment there's 577 00:22:26,919 --> 00:22:31,520 no evidence of this so if this ttip 578 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,480 reaches agreement how will this affect 579 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,520 the rest of the world so one of the 580 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,640 drivers I suppose behind the ttip 581 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,720 agreement is that the WTO has s has 582 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,240 stalled effectively developing countries 583 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,799 have said we're not getting a good deal 584 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,840 out of this we want we want it to be a 585 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:50,400 bit fairer and that's obviously stalled 586 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:53,080 all trade negotiations at the WTO level 587 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,679 so these this big bilateral agreement is 588 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,520 it's promoted by them as such it's the 589 00:22:54,679 --> 00:22:58,760 idea they want to set a global standard 590 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:02,000 for trade for the rest of the the rest 591 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,919 of the world so there's a there's a 592 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,159 chance that other countries would then 593 00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:09,080 be able to join it but you know there'll 594 00:23:07,159 --> 00:23:11,400 be some elements of trade diversion 595 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,600 where stuff that was imported from the 596 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,640 rest of the world before will now be 597 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,640 imported from the US but I suppose it's 598 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,880 more of a it's more for me an idea of if 599 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,960 you are doing something like this for 600 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,080 the rest of the world because the idea 601 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,080 of having trade with the US isn't in and 602 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,640 of itself offensive you know of course 603 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,039 not there's lots of things we'd like so 604 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,559 say they went into the trade agreement 605 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,840 saying these are the highest standards 606 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,440 we can get that work and we want to 607 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,440 bring both of our standards to that 608 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,960 level and we've both got as governments 609 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,120 The public's trust that this is 610 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,080 sincerely what we're trying to achieve 611 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:43,559 there would be no issue but we're 612 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,440 there's a worry that especially if 613 00:23:43,559 --> 00:23:47,600 there's isds in this agreement this is 614 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,799 setting a global standard that the rest 615 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,200 of the world is trying to remove 616 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,400 themselves from Indonesia have are 617 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,559 trying to get out of all trade 618 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,720 agreements with this isds mechanism in 619 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:57,520 South Africa as well because they've 620 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,960 seen it to be harmful and if it's in 621 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,440 ttip 622 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,520 I mean it's the global standard for the 623 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,559 next 20 years God save us the best of 624 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,919 luck uh with your campaign how do people 625 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:09,279 uh sign up for it uh there's many groups 626 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:11,000 working on it so Friends of the earth 627 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,760 war on want uh World development 628 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,720 movement now called Global Justice now 629 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,120 38 degrees the union so on all of our 630 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,120 websites you can find it if you 631 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,840 specifically want to go through the 632 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:24,730 friends of the earth website ww. foe. 633 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:26,520 co.uk ttip excellent thanks Sam for 634 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:28,919 [Music] 635 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,919 that and now it's your turn to tell us 636 00:24:28,919 --> 00:24:33,399 what you think through the portals of 637 00:24:30,919 --> 00:24:36,039 social media what's rattling gri about 638 00:24:33,399 --> 00:24:37,760 this British arm straight Joe Cook says 639 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:39,679 cheer leaders in Chief for the British 640 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,000 arms trades are Prince Charles and 641 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:44,399 Andrew their business trips to Saudi 642 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,880 soaked in blood well and David Cameron 643 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:49,679 too of course I mean there was one 644 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,000 occasion in the last Parliament where 645 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:55,159 David Cameron from the dispatch box 646 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,240 denounced me as a friend of dictators 647 00:24:55,159 --> 00:24:59,799 before getting onto an airplane that 648 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,440 very afternoon and flying to Saudi 649 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:06,600 Arabia and Bahrain openly to sell them 650 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:09,720 weapons about the ttip uh question uh 651 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,039 Free Press says ttip is backed by three 652 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,360 main UK parties it backs the question 653 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:16,200 who they really pres represent not the 654 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:18,399 public surely and that's all that we've 655 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,039 got for this week which alas means 656 00:25:18,399 --> 00:25:22,720 that's the end of the show you can stay 657 00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:24,799 in touch with us on Twitter rtor Sputnik 658 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,480 or on Facebook at Sputnik on Russia 659 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:31,760 today it's goodbye from me G and from me 660 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,760 George Galloway it's been marvelous 661 00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:35,479 [Music]