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I get

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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Gallow and me gatri Cuba

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was once the front line the missile

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crisis between the US and the Soviet

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Union was the closest we ever came to

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thermonuclear mutually assured

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destruction of the human race trust me I

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remember it it felt like Humanity was

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going to end before the 60s had even got

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swinging Decades of US invasion

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subversion assassination and Florida

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based terrorism against Cuba ued but the

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us could not make Cuba kneel down and

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cry Uncle Sam so it seems they've given

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up and decided to Make Love Not War with

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Cuba or have they joining us now to

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discuss this and other Cuba matters is

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Bob Orum of the Cuba solidarity campaign

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Bob thanks for joining us on the Sputnik

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on the subject of terrorism and the Cuba

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solidarity campaign you recently secured

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a signal victory in the uh Battle of uh

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words with the Metropolitan Police in

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operation Strong Tower tell us about

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that well um Strong Tower was a um a

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massive um trial terrorist operation

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that the Metropolitan Police staged and

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for some reason they decided three of

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the actors who were portraying

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themselves as terrorists on that day one

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of them wore a Cuba T-shirt with a Cuban

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flag on it um we received loads and

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loads of complaints not only from

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members but from members of the public

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and we immediately wrote to the

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Metropolitan Police and we did receive a

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um a written response um which says that

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it clearly was a regrettable error um I

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think um I'm not 100% convinced by that

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because I don't understand why something

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that was six months in the planning

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actually went ahead with somebody two of

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the three were dressed purely in black

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black balac clavas black clothes yeah

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one of them was wearing a Cuban flag

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t-shirt now you would have thought that

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somebody would have looked at that

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person and said that is wrong because

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any country's national flag would be

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wrong to wear in that in that situation

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what the um the the Mets said and

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they've not put it on their website or

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put out a press release when they said

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it but they said it was um uh the person

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didn't think of the significance and the

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implications of wearing a t-shirt with a

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national flag on it um it was a gross

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blunder but it was a cruel irony on that

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day as well because on that day um for a

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start uh the World Health Organization

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announced that Cuba had found a cure for

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motherto baby transmission of syphilis

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HIV um that should have been the news

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that was being reported it was only a

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month after the US had removed them from

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the list of state sponsors of terrorism

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a list which they've been on as a vient

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disgraceful slur against Cuba for 33

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years and two months so having achieved

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that victory of getting them removed

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from that list of terrorism then the

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Cubans find them themselves portrayed in

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this way across the media and it was

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only by our efforts that they they pleas

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and we welcome the apology but well it's

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not the most folsome uh apology if I

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become the mayor I'll get a better one

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uh for you but uh Cuba is in the news

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now a lot and it's in the news because

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as we said in the

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introduction uh we might be might be

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about to enter a new era how does the

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Cuba solidarity camp campaign see that

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Prospect um well I mean the raising the

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flag pole doesn't resolve the whole um

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problem this is the US flag in Havana

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and the Cuban flag in Washington well

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they haven't they haven't raised the

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flag in Havana yet but the one in

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Washington has gone up but that doesn't

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resolve things this is clearly a process

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not an event and it's going to take some

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time because there are a number of

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substantial issues still still to be

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resolved to achieve that normalization

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relations um I mean obviously the

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financial the commercial the economic

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blockade that they've waged against Cuba

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has to end um and it doesn't end

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automatically as a result of this no no

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and it doesn't end because part of the

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things that are happening are Obama's um

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uh responsibility he can do them but

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some things can't the cuan Democracy act

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the Holmes Burton act enshrines in

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American law the fact that there can be

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no normaliz ation of relations with Cuba

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until um Cuba has adopted democracy and

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and you know whose version of democracy

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you know democracy on what basis um so

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that's got to end there's the Thor

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thorny problem of the illegal military

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base and prison that's on Guantanamo Bay

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last month there was um the house

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increased massively increased the

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multi-million dollar program

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that are used from America to fund

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internal destabilization or activities

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against Cuba they also increased the um

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TV Marty and radio Marty which

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broadcasts anti-ban propaganda against

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the the country so there's there's a

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whole range of things not least the

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compensation that should be looked at in

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terms of the suffering and the the the

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damage that has been done to Cuba over

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the last 50 years and more because of

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the the blockade so I think everybody

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welcomes that um this has happened they

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certainly welcomed the 17th of December

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uh announcement in Cuba and you know

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that that much is is clear but this is

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this is not um the end of the process by

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a long stretch all they've done is

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change the strategy but the objectives

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are still the same they want to create a

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client capitalist state in their

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backyard that ipof facto loses its own

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sovereignty as part of that process yeah

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but Fidel or rul that would not allow

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that right um no I don't think they will

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and I don't think the Cuban people will

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either um I think they've they've long

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understood that this is going to happen

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in some form or another um and Obama has

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had to seiz this moment with the the

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release of the the three remaining

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members of the five he's had to seize

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this moment because he could ignore the

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UN vote of condemnation of the blockhead

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every year that that didn't bother them

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but what's really bothered them is

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they're being ostracized in their own

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backyard all the American states and the

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organization of American states has been

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anti them now since 2012 they can't do

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anything without the issue of Cuba being

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raised so they've had to change their

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tactic and what Obama said was we're

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we're throwing off the

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shackles that hasn't worked but we're

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pivoting towards a a policy of

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Engagement and they will try as you said

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to to have that engagement on their

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terms the Cubans I think and they're

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they're great negotiators they've

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they've won all the the discussion so

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far they're great negotiators and I

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think they'll be Resolute in their

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determination to ensure the end of the

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blockade Guantanamo coming back and you

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know stopping even an embassy

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uh a sovereign nation state because

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that's what the special interest section

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did if they're normalizing relations

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then it has to be normal relations that

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every other country gets in the world

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and it should be no different for Cuba

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at the very same time as President Obama

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was engaging with Cuba of course and

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taking Cuba as you pointed out off the

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list of states that so supposedly

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sponsor terrorism he put Venezuela on

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that list and stepped up sanctions

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against Venezuela this is an such an

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obvious Paradox contradiction it's

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difficult to see how it hasn't been more

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widely noticed um good point George I

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mean I think it has been covered in some

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press um but not um you know and I think

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we we work very closely with the

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Venezuela solidarity campaign and that's

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a message that we are intent on getting

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out and sharing widely um as I said you

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it so they are trying it Cuba's had it

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tried for so long they're looking for a

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different yes I

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uh had the privilege of uh of uh

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visiting for some extended time Vietnam

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and meeting with the leaders of Vietnam

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one of whom said to me when you open the

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doors and the windows the light comes in

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but so do the Flies there are many flies

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just itching to get back to Cuba the

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immigrates uh who ran away after the

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revolution taking as much of their

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ill-gotten gains as they could with them

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uh the uh Fanatics who want to score an

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ideological Victory the gangsters who

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used to run Cuba the mafia and so on as

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a kind of Bordello and casino and of

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course normal capitalism McDonald's

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drive Drive-Ins and uh and so on when

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you project forward to what extent do

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you see the balance between the light

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coming in end of the blockade and so on

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and the FES that come in with

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it the the light's been on for a while

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now I mean people say about um there's

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going to be an influx of Americans well

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there's 2 million visitors from North

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and think that they they are Americans

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it's not like Cubans haven't seen

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tourists before and there haven't been

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engagements with the private sector the

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Cubans have done it on their terms

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though and I think that's important and

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the new economic guidelines that they

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passed in the the a couple of years ago

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have recognize that there have to be

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changes and and you know no socialist

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society can exist without a productive

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economy you need that as Mark said to

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build the social consumption fund to

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fuel your health services and your

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education services and everything else

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that you do as a Gooding in their case

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yes yes and and they need some more

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investment they need some more help with

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developing some of their Industries and

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they will take in the private sector um

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but on their terms and I think you know

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we have to trust them to know how they

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want to do that having looked at Vietnam

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and having looked at China and I mean

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look to other countries around the world

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the one thing that the Cubans won't do

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is simp simply fall into America's hands

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they've learned the lesson in one sense

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with um you know the sad demise of the

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the Soviet Union they they had to go

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through totally restructuring their

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economy what they will have in the

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future is a range of countries in which

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they trade with so that they've got a

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basket of um currencies and economies to

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do business with and I think there will

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be naturally um a relations with the

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their nearest neighbor and there should

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be relations with their nearest neighbor

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but it will be on their terms Bob Orum

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Cuba solidarity campaign thanks for

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joining us on the SPN coming up after

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the break is a guest I once met in the

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street in Hiroshima she's the General

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Secretary of CND stay

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tuned welcome back to Sputnik the only

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state ever to drop a nuclear bomb was

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the state we've just been discussing

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which insisted on its nuclear Monopoly

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in its own hemisphere the US bomb which

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fell on hirosima killed eviscerated so

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many people they decided to do it again

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3 days

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later even though Japan was in the

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process of surrendering so horrified

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were right thinking people around the

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world that a huge campaign to ban the

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bomb arose in the Vanguard of that

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campaign was Britain's campaign for

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nuclear disarmament CN ND and its

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General Secretary joins us now to Mark

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the 70th anniversary of Hiroshima Kate

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Hudson welcome to the Sputnik just for

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those who uh for whom perhaps this was

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all very long ago and that's most people

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70 years kindly summarize what happened

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on the 6th and the 9th of August in

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1945 well on the 6th of August a US Air

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Force plane dropped a single atom bomb

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on the city of Hiroshima not on a

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military base but on an enormous City it

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was early in the morning with people

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going about their business children

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going to school and that single bomb

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created a devastating blast a firestorm

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that immediately killed over a 100,000

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people and then in the days and weeks

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that followed hundreds of thousands more

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died from the consequences of radiation

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but also from the complete breakdown of

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any kind of um Health Care food water

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sanitation or anything and then as you

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said 3 days later the United States did

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exactly the same thing dropping a single

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bomb on Nagasaki again a city not a

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military installation and again hundreds

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of thousands of people died in that same

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terrifying pattern and this took us into

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a new era didn't it because it was the

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first weapon of mass destruction

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Unlimited in in scope and time because

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of course people were still being

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deformed and dying as a result of the

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radiation many years uh later the second

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one uh cannot be defended uh even if the

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first one could uh in that uh as gatri

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said Japan was already surrendering when

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it was dropped but it was dropped for

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another reason wasn't it it was dropped

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to send a signal to other superpower the

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only other superpower in the world the

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Soviet Union that uh would never be the

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same again yes they were wanting to

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establish their military predominance

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their nuclear predominance in the

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postwar situation I mean sadly though it

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appears that um some evidence shows that

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the Americans were actually wanting to

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test two different types of bombs so

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kind of human guinea pigs in Nagasaki

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testing the different types of Weaponry

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except you'd never get away with

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massacring that many Guinea

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pcks absolutely of course up in arms uh

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of course you weren't around neither was

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I at the time um but how drastic a

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change did it seem how much more deadly

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exponentially more deadly did this new

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Weaponry seem at the time well

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absolutely I mean it was a real sea

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change a real real turning point in

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Weaponry obviously many thousands of

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people tens of thousands of people would

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be killed in Air Raids and bombing and

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so on and of course we saw the terrible

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losses on the battlefield particularly

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in the Eastern front but the very fact

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of a single bomb having that kind of

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impact but I think more uniquely the

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radiological consequences as you said

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for decades later people would still be

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dying from cancers from birth

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deformities and it it wasn't something

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you could see you know the radiation

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could blow around no one would know who

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was a victim of it and it that was a

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terrifying thing completely new thing

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you weren't just on the end of a

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physical weapon you were at the mercy of

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of something you couldn't see well we're

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we weren't around at the time but we are

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I'm I'm afraid old enough to have been

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veterans together in the Decades of

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campaigning so that this uh should never

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could never happen again uh but it could

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have couldn't it uh we've just been

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discussing Cuba in the Cuban Missile

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Crisis the United States was ready to

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plunge the world into a nuclear winter

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from which humankind might not have uh

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survived d uh but we avoided that I

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would argue through good negotiating

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between Kennedy and and and krov but it

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was a close- run thing uh and then they

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brought their own nuclear weapons to

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Britain uh having said that it was

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unacceptable that there should be

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nuclear weapons on Cuba they brought

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them here not 90 Mi away from here but

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here and that's when CND as it were got

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a second wind a second second uh life

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what do you recall of that particular

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campaign in the ' 80s well the ' 80s as

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you say it was a second wind for CND it

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was a huge upsurge a spontaneous upsurge

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not just organized through CND but many

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local Town Village groups even Street

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groups against cruise missiles because

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what we all understood as you'll

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remember from the time was that we knew

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this would be a war fought between the

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US and the Soviet Union in Europe those

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cruise missiles they were intermediate

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range missiles and they were precisely

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to be in Britain and in Europe so the

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war could be fought here and we all felt

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threatened with destruction we all

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thought that we would die as a result of

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this terrible policy so we had massive

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protests hundreds of thousands of people

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we had peace camps um I went to greenh

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and peace Camp many people went to other

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peace camps to try and prevent that

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happening so that kind of upsurge in

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popular sentiment particularly Pro peace

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sentiment was never seen again until the

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recent protests against the war on Iraq

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and yet in Britain it became a political

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consensus that your rondra the campaign

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for nuclear disarmament was politically

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toxic fatally so so the labor party

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which which had been W to an

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anti-nuclear weapon position abandoned

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that and learned to love uh nuclear

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weapons or did it

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because isn't one of the lessons of

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Jeremy Corbin our old comrade's

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fantastic leadership campaign that

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actually whilst the MPS might be ready

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to love Trident yes the rank and file in

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society are not absolutely for at least

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a decade since we've been closely

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watching the polls about the question of

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replacing Trident the majority of the

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population has consistently been opposed

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to Trident not just opposed to replacing

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it but actually in favor of scrapping it

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whether or not anyone else scraps their

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nuclear weapon so Jeremy Corbin is

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absolutely 100% on message with the

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majority of the population and that's

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what labor the labor leadership the

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people who are prot tried have to

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realize it's not a vote loser to scrap

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Trident it's a vote

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winner not least because of the money

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absolutely 100 billion pounds spend 100

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billion pound on nuclear weapons we

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cannot use except as an act of national

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side when our public services and the

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the the workers that work within it are

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being squeezed to the point of uh of

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expiring in some uh cases we could be

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using that 100 billion pounds for good

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things yeah we could help to regenerate

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our our economy create jobs in

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sustainable energy for example in house

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building Hospital building School

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building and these are the kinds of

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messages of course that we hear from

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Jeremy Corbin which is why he's so

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popular yes uh the the um Mr Ben used to

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say that the hospitals and schools are

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having to have flag days to raise money

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whilst nuclear weapons are getting the

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tax money why don't we reverse that why

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don't we have a Flag Day charity

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rattling cans to pay for Trident and use

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the tax money for the Public Services

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well I wonder how much would be raised I

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wonder how many people would put money

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in a 10 to buy more nuclear weap few

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nuts and boats GE I think that's about

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it now you've been commemorating as CND

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the 70th Anniversary you've held a

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series of events uh in London what does

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the future look like for uh CND are you

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still growing what kind of things are

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you doing how can people watching this

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join up for the campaign well we are

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growing we have many new Young members

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as you say many people now uh are feel

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distanced from it they don't understand

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the issues but once we make people aware

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of the issues and the cost of course

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what we could spend it on instead people

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become aware of what an absolute

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craziness it is to spend so much of our

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national resources on a weapon of mass

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destruction so we have new people coming

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in we've got very strong campaigning now

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uh in terms of parliament uh you'll be

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aware that um next year there's supposed

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to be a vote in Parliament about whether

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or not Trident is replaced and we're

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lobbying very strongly for a vote

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against against that we have to win the

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politicians and the so-called opinion

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formers to listen to ordinary people and

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make a decision against um a further

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round of nuclear weapons so we could

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make that decision couldn't we I mean

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there are many people who are not on the

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left who recognize that actually the

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opportunity cost of making this father

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investment and nuclear weapons is felt

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not least by the poor infantry in the

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forces were there last year remember in

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Scotland when we drove around the

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Trident base it's humongous it's truly

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gigantic uh and of course it was one of

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the big issues in the Scottish

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independence referendum campaign no one

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wants it no one in Scotland wants no one

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in Scotland wants it even those that

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voted uh no um so my point is that

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trident can be stopped if labor gives a

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lead uh it may find an echo

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amongst even retired Admirals and

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Generals and so on who think that

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frankly this is not the best use of 100

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billion pounds not even in defense terms

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there are many military retired top

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brass field Marshals and Generals as you

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say who describe Trident as completely

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useless you know militarily irrelevant

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and say that it should be scrapped so

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you're absolutely right the opportunity

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cost in defense terms is troops could

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have boots soldiers could have somewhere

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decent to live they could look after the

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veterans all kinds of ways in which it

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could be spent how do people join candd

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they go to our website which is

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www.cnd.org the very best of luck thank

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you very much and many more years of

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campaigning k h General Secretary of CND

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thank

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you and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what string G Tre on Cuba

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and the us we asked has the Cold War

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freezer finally thought I nobody answers

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within minutes Cuba would go back to

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gangsterism of 1953 but with McDonald's

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Happy Meals on Hiroshima 70 years on

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what has the world learned Joe Cook

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observes the terrorist attacks on

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Hiroshima and Nagasaki are celebrated as

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necessary so we've learned that the US

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and the West still control the narrative

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the first

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explosion uh when the United States were

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still fighting Island to Island you

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could make a military justification for

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if not a moral one but the second

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explosion cannot be justified on any

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count it was a clear either as Kate

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Hudson said a a guinea pig experiment or

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it was a political message to others

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Jimmy the fool says we've learned

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America has a booming arm trade industry

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and loves War and that's all that we've

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got for this week which alas means

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that's the end of the show you can stay

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in touch with us on Twitter at rtor

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Sputnik or Facebook Sputnik on Russia

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today it's goodbye from me gatri and

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from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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