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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri an

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empty taxi pulled into New Palace yard

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and Clement Atley climbed out of it so

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the anecdote goes to illustrate the

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supposed anonymity of one of Britain's

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most important prime ministers the man

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who defeated the Great War leader

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Landslide as George wbus might put it

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they misunderestimated Clement Atley and

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by the end of his Premiership he

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completely changed Britain and the

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greatest of his achievement the NHS is

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such that even today 70 years on none

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dare breathe the world against it even

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the Tories who fought it with a level of

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class hatred that makes the enemies of

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Obamacare look like a tea party well you

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know what I mean he was a modest man

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Clement Atley but with nothing to be

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modest about and his biographer is the

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Ace author of The Great Book book we've

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previewed here Blair Inc and his new

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book Clen Atley is especially welcome

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now that another modest man appears to

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be preparing to step into his shoes as

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leader of the labor party Francis Becket

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is the author and he joins us now

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Francis thanks for coming on board the

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which I mean anyone under 70 who really

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was Clement Atley Clement Atley was the

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uh was the Prime Minister who took an

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uncivilized society and made a civilized

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one out of it he was the man who created

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the welfare state who ensured that if

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you were unemployed it didn't mean that

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you and your family would starve he was

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the man who created who ensured the

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great civilizing principle that nobody

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should be allowed to die of a treatable

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illness simply because they couldn't

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afford the treatment and that's the

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principle that underlies the the

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principle that despite many efforts from

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right-wing politicians has survived to

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this day he's the man who created the

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state school system that we have today

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um it it's it's been battered and

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bruised since A's time but essentially

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the idea that every child between the

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is entitled has a right to a school

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place and an education that comes out of

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the Atley government what he created was

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a society in which everybody was going

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mid-50s there were very very few

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practically none that's the measure of

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atley's achievement and yet to do that

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he had to defeat Winston Churchill who

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had just won with his allies the second

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world war that was a feat that could

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never have been uh guessed at I'm

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thinking it's very interesting in fact

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people say you know that a a candidate

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still saying it you know does this or

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that candidate sound Prime ministerial

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well nobody sounds Prime ministerial

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Prime Ministers were great oratorical

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figures like Winston Churchill except

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that the people elected Clement Atley

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and you'll find the same over and over

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again when a new sort of prime to get

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selected people are saying he's not

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prime ministerial Herbert Morrison from

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saying we cannot possibly offer this

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unassuming little man to the re Herbert

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as Labour's leader because he said Atley

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indeed the the grandfather of Peter

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mandon so perhaps that's not surprising

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that he was conspiring against the

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leader he is indeed and he was

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conspiring against the leader it's an

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odd coincidence it appears to run in

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families that sort of thing but the

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difference between Atley and a lot of

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leading politicians is that he wanted

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power in order to do something in

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particular the politicians you can

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divide really between those who want to

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do something and those who want to be

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something Atley wanted to do something

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by the way to be fair most politicians

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prime minister and having everybody

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running around doing what he said he was

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there to change something and he did and

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he certainly wasn't there to do what

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that subject of your uh last great book

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sense I suppose he was a modest man atly

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in that he was no flash Harry he wasn't

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using the Premiership or the leadership

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of the labor party to feather his own

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nest actually he died leaving just

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£7,000 which I suspect Tony Blair would

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at um he was when he when he left the

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leadership of the labor party um he was

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going to leave enough money for his wife

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who was much younger than he was to to

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to live on adequately he was and and so

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United States simply in order to to to

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raise a bit of money he was never a

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particularly rich man and never wanted

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to be a particularly rich man Atley

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gained office in in a time period uh

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that a lot of colonized country gained

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their independence Indonesia for example

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proclaimed Independence how was his

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relation internationally in in this in

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this era it was actually who really

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herself of her colonis and of saying no

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we we we can't run the world he began uh

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saying you you can't do it you can't uh

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give India Freedom it it won't work um

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and Atley was convinced that we couldn't

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not do it and that it had to be done

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quickly and um and so he he did it far

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far more quickly than than the foreign

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future it couldn't be dictated by

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Britain and of course the process was

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future of Britain was not as a great

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the cabinet that he was doing that's

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nuclear weapons in Korea aty threw flew

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to Washington and I mean nobody is ever

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thing because he thought if he boasted

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of it it wouldn't happen but the fact is

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man but Jeremy Corbin has been a rebel

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and was comfortable I don't I don't mean

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this unkindly but was comfortable with

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that Rebellion Atley was never a Reb

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Rebel never intended to be always

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interested in uh solely in getting and

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obtaining power in order to use that

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power for a particular purpose uh

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however I think it's I I think it's fair

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nban I it and it's certainly the case

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that if Atley had been the leader of the

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labor party in any time in the past 20

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years or so Jeremy Corbin would not been

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time he would have been brought into the

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tent he would have been given real work

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to do um and and and a real contribution

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towards towards making a a better

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self-confidence that enabled him to do

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that and he he would he would have

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brought Jeremy Corbin into the tent and

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and Jeremy Corbin would now if he was a

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candidate for leader now will be a

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candidate for leader who could boast of

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cabinet experience yeah very interesting

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Francis Becka author amongst many other

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fine books of Clem Atley a new edition

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out now in paperback thanks for coming

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on the sputnick thank you George always

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a pleasure coming up after the break Fed

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Up by which I mean obese overweight

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dying of overeating especially

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overeating sugar in that case you better

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tune in to hear our interview with

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Professor Jimmy Bell after

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welcome back to Sputnik did you know

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that a 20 o bottle of fizzy drink

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contains 17 teaspoons of sugar and a pot

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of tomato sauce contains almost double

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the amount of sugar as a pack of

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M&M's sugar is everywhere fructose

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dextrose sorbital corn syrup are but a

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few of more than 50 names on your

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ingredients list masking what they

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really are sugar

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no wonder more than half of men and

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women and more than a quarter of

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children in the UK are overweight or

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obese and last month Figures were

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released showing that 1 million people

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in the UK in just one decade have been

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diagnosed with diabetes joining us now

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is Dr Jimmy Bell who has all the inside

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and outside of the emerging public

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health hazard maybe Public Health crisis

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and more welcome Dr Jimmy thank you for

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invting me we uh first began to look at

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your work because we saw a documentary

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film called fed up which I thought I

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knew it all I always think I know it all

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I certainly didn't know things were as

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bad as they currently are in the US but

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catching up here in the UK that's that's

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correct I think the the Obesity problem

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which is a pandemic is a it's a

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worldwide problem it's not just related

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to the to the USA but it's also a

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pandemic across Europe Europe and most

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countries paradoxically we as we have

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many and many more people becoming obese

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we also have as many people actually

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having poor nutrition and malnutrition

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across the world so this is one of the

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paradoxes that we live in but the crisis

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when it come to actual obesity is a

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major crisis that not only affect the

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individual but also affect society it is

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calculated that over 300 or 400 billion

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pounds have been uh spent across Europe

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and probably about trillion uh pounds

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are going to be spent across the world

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in obesity related problems it probably

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going to bankrupt many countries in 10

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or 20 years

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time my God I looked at the documentary

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in

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horror not just at the scale of the

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diabetes problem the scale of the

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Obesity problem but the rapaciousness of

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the corporations who are profiting from

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it knowing just like the tobacco Giants

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before them knowing the impact that

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they're having on the people who are

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buying their stuff yes one of the the

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issues is that um in the case of smoking

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or or alcohol you don't actually need to

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do it they are no essential food is

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essential for your life and we evolve to

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life certain things because we're very

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rare in nature so if you go back 20

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30,000 years ago humans will find very

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difficult to uh to find sugar salt and

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fat so our brains have evolved to like

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more but that's not that's not where it

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Li that's absolutely correct that there

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there's a tendency to to demonize fat

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and fat people um has been the fault of

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the individual we all live within a

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society the way we structure our society

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both commercially and our our homes our

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workplace influence the way we actually

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live uh and to assume that an individual

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can actually fight against the the

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forces actually providing us an

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environment that will actually make us

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an environment what we call obesogenic

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an environment that will actually lead

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us to obesity it will be very very

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difficult so the question is re in

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reality what is the thin people

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around because we have create an

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environment where we should all be obese

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and that's because food is available

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very cheap with hidden calories most

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most of the time bad quality food from a

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nutritional point of view but High int

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density in calories which are available

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to our children to ourselves all the

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time on top of that physical activity we

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do very little physical activity

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nowadays we are provided with cars our

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offices are provided with things where

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we spend all day sitting down in front

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of computers then we get into public

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transport we get home we sit down to

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watch television the whole of industry

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and Society is made for us to do very

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physic very little physical activity and

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consume large amount of calories so it's

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not surprising that there are so many

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obese people then we get hit by the fact

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that we got a dieting industry which is

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creating new fats all the time it's

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telling us change this most of it based

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on very little scientific data so we've

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been bombarding on one side and in some

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cases even uh subsidized by brands that

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are of Industry absolutely it's actually

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quite contradictory that some of the

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dieting industry the major industry

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actually subsidiary of the food industry

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itself so on one side they're making us

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fat and on the otherwise they're trying

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to make us make a thing in both ways

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actually taking good business isn't it

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exactly in in in which case you're

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actually making money both ways so it's

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a win-win situation for industry so what

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is the answer uh doctor um we could

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obviously in a command economy we could

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uh ban these things um but that's not

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really attainable even if it was

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desirable uh isn't the best way to tax

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them can we have fat

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taxes

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well is it's an important and

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interesting question how do we tackle

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this and this is not about a controll

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economy obesity occurs in almost any

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society whether you have a a capitalist

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Society or what you might call a

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communist Society obvious is still a

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problem because it's actually generated

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for us I said early on the way we are

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hardwiring our brain to lie certain

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things and availability of a food which

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is rich in calories you can consume a

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large amounts without much

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cost I think we need to change society

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the way we educate people the way we

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educate children about diet the way we

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educate them about physical activity for

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example most doctors in this country are

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not taught anything about nutrition as a

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serious subject in medicine most doctors

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have not taught anything about physical

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activity as part of your health habit so

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we are very good at curing disease but

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not preventing it so what we need is a

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preventive medicine so we need to change

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our society the way we actually for

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example access to cycle Lanes you know

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to cycle in in London it's a danger to

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your life every day I have some plans on

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that have to remain unrevealed yeah uh

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we we should have access to buildings

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where we people can actually physically

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work well even when they're actually in

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front of a computer for example standing

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desks yeah you can actually change where

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you position the toilet that a long time

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ago the I I was in Vietnam once uh well

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many times but in Vietnam once I went to

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a puppet theater in Hoi Min City and

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half of the people in the theater were

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very thin and half of the people in the

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theater were very fat and I wondered why

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they were all Vietnamese but the fat

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ones were the children of the people who

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had left Vietnam and gone to the United

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States at the end of the war in 1975 the

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thin ones were still living in Vietnam

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by Thin I don't mean unhealthily thin

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they were very healthy and thin exactly

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I wanted to step on that because you

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Doctor you coined the phrase or concept

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tofi thin

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Outside Inside fat inside fat inside

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sorry um which actually worries me

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because if you walk outside you don't

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see fat people doesn't mean that these

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people are not in danger you see th

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people and they can still that that's

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that's that's correct and and the

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problem that it comes with the

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definition of health and there's too

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much emphasis nowadays in health in

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relation to weight and weight doesn't

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tell you anything about your health

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really per se it should be about

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lifestyle choices that you can actually

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make now when you talk about Vietnam and

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you see theme people and F people I

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think if you go back to Vietnam now

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that's not going to be true if you went

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to China 20 years ago you wouldn't find

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that many of his children people but

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nowadays there are so it's because there

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wasn't access to those calories in a

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cheap way available to the general

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population and now if you went back 300

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years ago or 100 years ago fat was

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related to power so very powerful and

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wealthy people were actually very large

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now the inverse is true there a there's

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a inverse correlation I.E the more power

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and wealth you have the thinner you

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actually are and and that's because now

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those who are wealthy and have access

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access to good food can stay thin and

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have a lifestyle that allows them to be

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thin the more working people who have

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have to have work long hours in very

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stressful jobs uh they don't have access

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to facilities where they can do physical

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activities including their children are

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people who actually putting weight

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weight on that's why the great majority

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of the population nowadays H have a a a

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weight problem so coming back to your

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the tofe concept is that people believe

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that if they can restrict their diet

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intake I how many calories they take in

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then they can actually stay healthy but

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that's not correct you have to know look

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at how many calories you take but also

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the quality of those calories so if you

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eat very lots of sugar but in a small

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amount yeah and you're still going to

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look thin but you're still going to be

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unhealthy also if you don't have

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physical activity as part of your daily

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uh life also you're going to be

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unhealthy so you can actually for

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example superm modals are actually quite

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th but their fat distribution is

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completely wrong so we have shown that

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they have lots of internal fat within

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their body Al although of course they

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look very slim and that's because

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they're not allowed to do physical much

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physical activity because they're not

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allowed to have the delineation of their

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muscles the lack of physical activity is

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as important for your health or your ill

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health as it is eating too much so

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physical inactivity is I should make

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major problem in Western Society we

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don't do in our physical activity good

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note to end on let's go out and have a

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jog around the I I I will actually say

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that you don't need to have a jog you

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need to walk every day you know don't

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catch the lift you know go up this the

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stairs if you're going to go to a toilet

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don't go to a toilet in the same floor

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that you work but actually go upstairs

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or downstairs do those little thing get

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off the bus one or two stops before or

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after walk walk home if you answer the

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phone don't answer the phone sitting

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down answer the phone while you actually

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walking and so forth all those little

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things will actually be enough in the

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day day-to-day context to actually make

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a massive difference to your health Dr

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Jimmy Bell good advice I'm glad that we

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looked you up thanks very much indeed

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thank

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you and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's RL and gy well the

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question is what would Clement edley um

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make of today's labor leadership uh

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campaign and Rowan rier says he'd be

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shocked three of the candidates being

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more or less Tes I don't agree they're

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more or less Tes but uh they may be

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heading in that direction at least a

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couple of them sugar how bad is it

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really for you Ricardo Picasso says well

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a spoonful helps the medicine go down

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but a can of Coke will rot you inside I

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I was astounded both by the damage that

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sugar does and how pervasive it is

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everywhere who knew it was in cans of

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tomato sauce I didn't everywhere hot

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dogs you'll be you see it all in the

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film um and lastly AG Dary adds on the

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Coca-Cola thing that actually it's best

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rust remover I've ever tried that's all

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that we've got for this week which alas

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means that's the end of the show you can

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stay in touch with us on Twitter at _

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Sputnik or on Facebook Sputnik on Russia

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today it's goodbye from me gri and from

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me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous