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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway gatri still

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abroad researching global warming it

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deserves the description of the greatest

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political upset since Clem Atley

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defeated the Great War leader Winston

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1945 Jeremy Corbin's Landslide Victory

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as labor leader confounded bookmakers

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pundits and opponents alike and probably

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came as something was surprise to the

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man himself too the crushing of the

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openly blairite candidate Liz Kendall

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she got just 4.5% of the vote despite or

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maybe because of Mr Blair's repeated

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interventions in the campaign was the

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second most significant aspect of the

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result Corbin's victory has unleashed

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the most ferocious media assault in

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living memory and it will have come as a

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bit of a surprise to the watching public

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that Jeremy Corbin did not after all

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appe at Prime Minister's questions this

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week armed to the teeth like a

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Sandinista Guerilla some things are

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already clear though just as Mrs

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Thatcher once said every leader needs a

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Willie it's too long ago to explain

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self-evidently any labor leader needs a

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Damian Damian McBride was a devastating

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force of nature in defense of former

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prime minister Gordon Brown and Jeremy

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Corbin could have done with him at his

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side this week he is at my side however

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and he joins us now on board the Sputnik

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thanks uh Damian why didn't he I mean I

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don't know where you are in the jobs

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Market but uh they really could have

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done with you in the first few days I

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think you made enough controversial

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appointments this week without adding me

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to the list well maybe but uh you know

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quality class well out um the it was a

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stumble of from one uh piece of bad news

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to another um the uh the Long Walk The I

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walk along the street which Jeremy

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Corbin has to learn he can no longer do

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ever again uh with a Sky News cameraman

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following him and and uh one

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presentational uh lapse or mistake uh

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after another how did you see it as a

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consumer professional yourself what

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could should he have done to avoid it

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the thing is once you get in the spiral

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once you've you know had a Crisis happen

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to you then these things just start to

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escalate and arguably the sky one was

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the first one and and then the shadow

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cabinet appointments became incredibly

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difficult because of the number of

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people that refused to serve and became

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very chaotic that chaos then was played

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out because we got a transcript

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effectively of what was going on inside

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the room so you just Lurch from one

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crisis to another it reminded me very

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much of the period And I I was ringside

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seat for this where Gordon Brown

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canceled the election in October 2007

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that he planned to have and then you had

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one problem after another both sort of

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the self-inflicted things but also just

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the total bad luck you know someone

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loses the child benefit discs and that

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all gets blamed on Gordon it's all

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hapless Gordon and and of course once

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you get to that you're you're dealing

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with one crisis when the next is around

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the corner so they're dealing with all

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the crises at the start of this week and

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nobody is thinking about that Battle of

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Britain ceremony and the fact that the

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national anthem is going to be played so

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make a decision in real time himself

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probably because nobody thought it

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through in advance and told him you need

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to decide whether you're singing The

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he did or not but he needed to plan for

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the media impact of that so if you're

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not going to Sing the anthem then you

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make that clear beforehand if you are

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going to Sing the anthem then you sing

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it but you don't you don't leave the

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leader in that position where he's

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walking along the street having to

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decide whether to stop and talk or not

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where he's standing in the middle of a

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congregation having to decide whether to

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sing the an that's why you need someone

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that's anticipating these problems

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anticipating the challenges and saying

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right we need to think this through

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let's go back to the beginning why did

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someone not notice that Sky journalists

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were standing outside the room where the

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shadow cabinet was being formed and

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listening at the door hearing every word

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yeah that's uh a lapse isn't it it's a

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security lapse in the House of Commons

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uh apart from anything else who knew

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that journalists could roam around and

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Jeremy Corbin they said kept on coming

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out the room to go to the toilet so he

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knew there were journalists there but

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obviously they didn't know they could be

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overheard which is just I mean that's

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stupid frankly you've to assume always

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that if you're having those kind of

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sensitive discussions then you are being

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overheard and you know for goodness sake

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do it in his do it in his living room

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you know why do it in the House of

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Commons where you're that exposed to to

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everyone there but it's it's all just

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symptomatic of just not planning this

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and not seeing it through and it's

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remarkable because for four or five

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weeks we've all assumed that he would

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win he should have assumed that he would

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win and that he would need a sort of

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carefully worked out speech to make uh

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when he stood out the conference rather

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than what seemed like almost a bit of a

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free form ramble uh he should have known

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that he was going to have these problems

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in appointing a shadow cabinet and and

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you've got to think those things through

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in advance now they didn't do that

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that's why they ended up lurching from

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crisis to crisis and fantastically for

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him he got up and delivered a master

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class at Prime Minister quest which

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studied the ship he really studed the

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ship and he needed that because imagine

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if that had gone the other way imagine

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if that had gone badly and I think

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conservative MPS are probably kicking

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themselves that they didn't try and

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destabilize him by greeting him in the

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wall of noise um you know by trying to

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sort of maintain the decorum of the of

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the place so if that had gone badly I

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think by the by the end of this week uh

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you know it would be regarded as the

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worst first week in any party leader

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history yeah and who knows uh what could

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have happened once uh banana skins under

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underneath you you can keep on sliding

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but he did stabilize the ship and I

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think the two things that we've been

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discussing show the strength and

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weaknesses very much of the the man he's

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not spun he's never spun he didn't know

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you could be heard through that door cuz

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he's never been in the office before no

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leader of the opposition labor leader

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has ever invited him in uh he is an

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honest a good and honest man uh that's

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why he couldn't didn't feel that he

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could sing out the national anthem

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because he's not a Believer uh in either

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God or the queen uh but there are things

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you just have to do uh when you're in

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his position um but because he's a

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principal person he didn't do it he's

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now going to but the brilliant Wicket

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that he played uh at Prime Minister's

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questions is because after 33 years in

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the House of Commons actually even

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though you've never been a minister

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never been a shadow Minister 33 years as

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a parliamentarian gives you quite a good

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feel for what might unset or wrong foot

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the other side and I thought that he he

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did it brilliantly yeah he did and I

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think the the great thing about what he

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did there was he's established the

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technique you had you have people I mean

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afterwards was saying but it was boring

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and he he didn't really hold into

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account they were missing the point what

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he needed to do was establish that

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technique and sort of you could see how

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unsettled Cameron was by it and then

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this becomes a technique he can play

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with any way he wants and it will be

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perfect for him in a week where there is

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public outrage about something has done

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and usually when Ed Mand would have what

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people called the open goals so Ed

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milleran would come along to pmqs and

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everyone would say oh he's got an open

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goal today against Cameron and Cameron

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was brilliant in those situations

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because whatever milleran said he just

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ignor it and just rant about the mess

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that labor had made or the or the mess

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of Ed Milan's leadership and so it just

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ended up being a score draw and people

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would say Milan fluffed his moments now

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that can't happen with Jeremy Corbin and

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the reason why is when he stands up and

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in calm measured tones says Steve from

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bromford has asked me to express his

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outrage to you at the decision that

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you've taken on such and such then David

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about about Labor because he's got to

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alone in the British media he can he can

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vary any time he likes in fact he can

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make a decision as he stands up that

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Steve from Romford I'm going to ask you

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this and it's about time you answered

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yeah Cameron will not be expecting that

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won't know when if ever that moment is

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going to arrive so he's given himself as

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it were another club uh that he can

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choose and wrong foot the opposition

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still further and and there's also as

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well as s you know spontaneously

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deciding to do it I would say once every

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six months if you're the opposition

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leader something comes into your hands

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you get a leaked document or you get

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some Dynamite piece of information from

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a freedom of information request or a

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parliamentary question you've laid down

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and that's when he can really wrong foot

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camera Cameron's Cameron will attend

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expecting it to be whatever topical

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popular issue the public have been

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raising that week and instead Jeremy

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Corin could say I have in my hand a

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piece of paper and totally wrong foot

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Cameron and this will be you know it'll

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it'll be fascinating to watch how Corbin

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uses that technique and as you say with

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all the Parliamentary experience to go

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with it now another piece that you wrote

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uh again uniquely uh with which I

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strongly agree uh was the comparison

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between Corbin and

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Atley uh which I just made in my

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introduction as the last most surprising

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thing that ever happened in uh British

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politics tell us uh what comparisons you

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see well I mean the first and most

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obvious was that you know you've

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represented in L constituency uh Jeremy

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Corbin is the first labor leader indeed

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the first leader of any major party to

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represent an in lond constituency since

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atly and I think in my old

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constituency and of course gives you an

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entirely different perspective and it's

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astonishing to compare uh David

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Cameron's constituency with Jeremy

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Corbin and think about the different

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view of the country that gives them uh

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in David Cameron's constituency one in

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250 people is black in a Jeremy Corbin's

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constituency is one in seven the levels

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of home ownership are staggeringly

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different and the levels of deprivation

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staggeringly different and this is where

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Jeremy Corbin's politics comes from I

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mean he was always academically he was

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always a socialist that was what how he

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was brought up

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but you don't represent an area like

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that for 30 years an area which is

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actually you know actually faces the

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issue of immigration on a daily basis

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has seen its own face change as sort of

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different nationalities have come into

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the area over the years it's it's you

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know faces serious problems with crime

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massive problems with poverty massive

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problems with mental health you don't

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see all that for 30 years and it not

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influence and shape the principles that

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you have and go into politics with

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that's you know what you're in politics

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for and this is his great asset is that

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that that authenticity that he's got

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comes from those deep rooted principles

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and the sense of who he represents so

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that's the most important thing but I

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also think you know Atley gave a

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masterclass in you you don't have to

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count out of the media you can be pretty

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disdainful of the media and still be a

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highly successful politician but just by

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being a sort of straight talking guy

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that we you know goes out and sells your

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message but doesn't sell yourself and

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and I think that's that's what's

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attractive about him last word then and

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in just a few words am I right in my

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surmise that the 4.5% for Liz Kendall

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represents the final defeat for Tony

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Blair yes I mean it was devastating uh

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for her and especially because she

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started as the media darling and then

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just couldn't cut it in our own party

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and it almost shows you that there's

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that break that what what would

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traditionally the sort of Blair right

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candidates that would work for the media

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are never going to cut it with the labor

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party anymore and and that's partly Tony

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Blair's Legacy that he's lost the labor

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party to wing of the party is he going

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to leave are they going to leave is

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there going to be a new party they will

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always think that by staying in they

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will eventually get their party back uh

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and you know Tony Blair himself will go

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around and identify as they always have

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done who's the next Blair right

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candidate who's the next uh one that's

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going to ride over the hill to the

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rescue and you know and there's no

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shortage of candidates for that but I

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don't think they'll ever win again I

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tell you what this man's so good and

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this subject's so important I'm going to

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ask him to stay for the second half

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we'll be right back

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welcome back to Sputnik we're reviewing

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from our orbit of experience the initial

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few days of the leadership of Jeremy

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Corbin and where it might go next and

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I'm speaking with Damon McBride who Once

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Upon a Time looked after quite

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ferociously actually Gordon Brown and

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very uh grateful for it was Mr Brown as

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well he might be Dem and thanks for

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staying on on for the second half let's

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look at the shadow cabinet that Mr

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Corbin has uh

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constructed some might say I would say

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uh that he gave away a little too much

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and in so far as he did he actually gave

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himself an additional problem of gender

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perceiv gender uh imbalance how did you

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see the shadow cabinet that emerged yeah

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I mean I think I think it was almost as

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though and you get politicians that do

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this sometimes there's an appointment

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really want to make and then they feel

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they've got to make compensating

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appointments uh to sort of reassure

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another wing of the party so the

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appointment he really wanted to make was

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John mcdonal becoming Shadow Chancellor

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uh which I think was essential in terms

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of him being able to sort of bind the

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two of them together and sort of secure

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his you know if you like secure the

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revolution that they've just achieved um

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but then I think he felt he needed to

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make compensating appointments so you

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get sort of Andy Burnham coming into a

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top position Hillary Ben into a top

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position and they're sort of very safe

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appointments but there's nothing radical

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about them and

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you know as you say he's giving a bit

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away there because these are not people

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that are ideological soulmates they're

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not people that are really with going to

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go along with his agenda on the contrary

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uh Hillary Ben the son of Tony Ben the

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late and great Tony Ben was out uh

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confronting Jeremy Corbin within 24

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hours on the issue of the European Union

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and the Cameron negotiations and on the

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Trident uh issue is going to be a very

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very important uh load star for Jeremy

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Corbin

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uh Hillary Ben's just not on side with

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him so you could make the case for one

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of those two getting the job but giving

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both of them a job seemed to me perhaps

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a bit of a hostage to Fortune but let's

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look ahead uh Jeremy stabilized the ship

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did really well at pmqs perhaps has

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stumbled not stumbled come up with uh a

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good formula for

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pmqs from Wednesday to Wednesday I

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expect you'll not be around the House of

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Commons he'll be around the country

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building on this revolution aiming for

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that one magic 1 million Members Mark

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which is definitely within his grasp uh

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now um is that what you would advise if

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you were at his side yeah but he's got

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to do both I think I think they've got

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to make a slight adjustment from going

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from campaign mode to leadership mode

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now now during a campaign which is

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effectively only reaching a sort of you

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know very small bit of the population

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the rest of the population largely

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ignored it and most of the media did as

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well um it energized and mobilized that

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small group of people and and got

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hundreds of thousands more to join the

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party and did that very successfully and

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you can do that through rallies in

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different different towns you can do it

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through social media and energize that

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group of people but if you want to reach

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the public as a whole You've got to do

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more than that it can't just be about

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rallies and it can't just be about

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social media so he does have to engage

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with the mainstream media in some ways

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or have trusted ministers that are on

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side not not the ones that are going to

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contradict his policy positions that are

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going to go out and be his cheerleaders

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on on the national news media I mean I

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found myself acting as a bit of a

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cheerleader for him over recent days and

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this difficult week that he's had just

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because nobody else is doing it and you

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know that's an extraordinary position

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for a leader to find himself in so he

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needs trusted colleagues that are going

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to do that but at some point he needs to

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go out and start doing that himself

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setpiece big interviews with major

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broadcasters and the major newspapers

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going out there and trying to sell

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himself to The Wider public problem is

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the the media the mainstream media is

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treating him like he's a hunted animal

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rather than the landslide Victor and the

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leader of Her Majesty's opposition a

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position worthy of respect by any

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standards um I suppose you'll be

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apprehensive about big sitdown

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interviews with the top people who who

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should he go to First who who would he

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go to First well he should have done

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that interview with Andrew Mah on the

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first Sunday he became leader although

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I mean he did the worst of all worlds

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which is saying they do it then pulling

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out and you know that happened across

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the board with quite a few of his uh his

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interviews over this first week so you

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know you've got to do those big setpiece

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things he'll have to do them at the

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labor Party Conference but also you you

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you can what what I would definitely

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advise him to do is to get out there

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into the regional media as well you know

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they would bite his hand off the

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regional media the most trusted media

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there is get on the local radio go into

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those local um newspapers and give them

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interviews whenever he goes to visit

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these towns and that's the way to sort

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of you know reach that wider public as

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well there's quite a stark contrast

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between the good and honest man home

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spun wearing a vest tweed jacket uh a

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guy who's obviously not spent you know

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an hour in front of the mirror getting

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makeup sprayed on him and the Flashman

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David

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Cameron uh pumped up uh Born To Rule

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bullying d boy uh but of of course it

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will not be David Cameron that uh Jeremy

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fights in the general election if God

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spares us all uh in

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20120 it'll most likely won't it be

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George Osborne what will that contest

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look like well I mean it's an even more

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St contrast than Corbin versus Cameron

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because in some ways at least Cameron

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has the popular touch you know we can't

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deny that much as much as you know we

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might hate it um but Osborne has no

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popular touch much does he try to work

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on it and Osborne is a man that is

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totally

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unrecognizable in terms of the way he

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spoke the way he looked and that kind of

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thing from the politician that came in

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five five years ago he is spun he's spun

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to the N degree and that's got to be the

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contrast that Jeremy portrays it would

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be a bit more difficult for Jer if he

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was up against Boris Johnson who again

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is one of those characters that is able

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to present himself to the public as a

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bit authentic and unspun and uh you know

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equally happily with equally happy to

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look a bit disheveled at times so I

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think Corbin should want that contest

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against George Jor not least because if

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Jeremy Corbin's going to succeed over

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the next 5 years he needs it to be

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because of the economy now no one would

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wish there to be an economic crisis but

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if there is Jeremy Corbin's prescription

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for for that crisis that we've got to

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reshape society and do our economy

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fundamentally differently that will

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suddenly have a resonance that it might

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not at the moment with the wider public

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and Osborne would be exactly the man

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he'd want in the frame to to be oppos I

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I I'm really glad that it looks like

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it's going to be Osborne I think he's

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the best possible opponent for Jeremy

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Corbin to fight but let's talk uh um

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about Scotland uh which is potentially a

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place only potentially where a Jeremy

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Corbin labor party could make

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significant gains in parliamentary seats

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and in share of the vote not least

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because uh things are so bad uh but once

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Scotland was a great Labor stronghold

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and now of course it isn't but a real

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labor leader capital r real labor leader

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Jeremy Corbin on the Trident issue on

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issu of austerity and all the other

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policy planks that he has must stand a

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real Choice a real chance rather of uh

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of outflanking the the SNP and winning

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people come back home to labor don't you

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think yeah exactly and and I've heard

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people on on radio shows this week

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who've been saying exactly that you you

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you'll have some people that will never

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forgive labor just the you know as the

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brand uh for siding with the Tories in

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the referendum debate and those people

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have almost sort of Gone full scale over

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to the Nationalist side but there is a

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sort of another huge sthe of people I a

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good chunk of that S&P vote that

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deserted labor because they said that

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party doesn't represent me anymore as

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they showed during the referendum

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debates and and Jeremy Corbin can wipe

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that away with what I mean he would

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never have made the mistake of sharing a

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platform with the Tories and he would

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have made the workingclass case the

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workers case for why we need to stay in

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the union and and that is what that is

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what Jeremy Corbin can do so I I think

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he's got a massive opportunity to to

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reclaim that ground in Scotland and you

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can see you know he's the one L

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politician that's gone to Scotland over

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recent times and been able to stand in

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town halls without having things thrown

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at him and instead he gets enthusiastic

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crowds and he's got to I think one of

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the first good announcements that he

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made was that he's going to spend one

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day a month in Scotland uh you know

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over this over the course of his

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leadership his crowds were nearly as big

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as mine uh the the the irony of that uh

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should not be lost the man being

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troduced for refusing to sing the

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national anthem may be the one man who

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can save the union of Scotland and

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England Keep the Country together stop

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it being severed uh across the middle

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and how by being labor by being being

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the real genuine article the real uh

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deal I think this one day a week that

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he's going to spend there the one day

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Tom Watson's going to spend there these

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could be amongst the most uh valuable uh

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days here's the other challenge George

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he can win back those voters that

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deserted labor the Big Challenge he's

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got is can he win back the voters that

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deserted labor to go to ukip that's what

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I was that's what I was going to turn to

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let me turn to that the white working

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class English people who feel that labor

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in the Blair era deserted them and have

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now gone to ukip can someone like Jeremy

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win them back it depends because if they

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believe that the the cause of all their

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ills is immigration and Europe as many

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of those people do and felt the labor

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didn't understand that and that's why UK

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proved attracted for them Jeremy's not

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going to be able to to persuade those

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people back what he can do has changed

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the course changed the nature of the

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discourse he can persuade those people

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it's not immigration it's not Europe

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people that come here from foreign

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countries are in the same boat as you

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the real problem is the corporations and

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the conservative party that are always

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going to keep you where you are that are

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never going to let you achieve your

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Ambitions and he has to almost do what

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the labor movement had to do decades and

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decades ago which is bring together the

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white working class with the interests

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of Irish immigrants black Caribbean

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immigrants and say look you're all part

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you're all in the same boat and we are

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the party that represents you and that's

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that's the big challenge but it'll be

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fascinating to see him do that because

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no lab politician has had the guts to do

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that no La politician has gone out to

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those people and said yes we are the

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party of working people uh because

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they've been so desperately Keen to get

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into the centerr because what they've

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been trying to

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do the sort of Craven nature that Blair

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had about this is say well what really

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matters to us is winning over

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conservative voters and that's not the

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challenge for labor it needs to win back

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its own voters needs to win back its own

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voters who have stopped voting its own

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voters who are voting ukip its own

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voters who are voting nationalist its

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own voters who are voting green there's

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more than enough voters there to win an

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election yeah and a whole generation of

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young voters that are just totally

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alienated and turned off politics

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entirely and would never bother tuning

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in and that's you know those are all

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those groups of people that we've talked

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about have been energized by what Jeremy

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Corbin has done so far in the party and

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he needs to take that to the rest of the

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country jez we can now I know that

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Jeremy watches the show so if you're

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watching Jeremy hire this

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[Music]

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man it's been quite a week we could have

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gone on speaking for another half hour

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but we've run out of time and it's the

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end of the show I hope you'll join me

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again next week until then it's been

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marvelous

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[Music]

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oh