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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me G the

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Tories have been in conclave in

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Manchester but no puffs of white smoke

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identifying the next leader are yet

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discernible or rather several chimneys

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were beling at the same time in

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different Shades of Gray Boris Johnson

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had a good conference Theresa May and

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her new Wonder Woman Garb had a bad one

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Gideon Osborne busy politically

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crossdressing had neither one thing nor

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the other David Cameron painted the

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conservatives as the new center ground

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and painted the labor leader as an

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outlaw living in the forest and painting

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his face a deep shade of red it's going

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to be an interesting few years former

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Tory cabinet minister the right

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honorable Andrew Mitchell MP joins us

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now to review the Tory conference and

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more Andrew the last time you were here

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you were hot foot from the airplane just

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back from Washington where you led a

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delegation

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which included the then little known

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Jeremy Corbin trying to get the British

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resident of Guantanamo Bay shakar Amor

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out from unjust imprisonment first of

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all then did you recognize Jeremy Corbin

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from the prime minister's description

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this week well I don't think that the

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Prime Minister was trying to describe

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Jeremy Corbin he was making a political

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point which as you know George you get

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at these party uh conferences but I did

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think the Prime Minister made an

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extraordinary uh Speech and uh a very

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good one probably the best I've heard

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him make in the 10 years he's been

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conservative party leader uh and I think

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for those on the left the way he planted

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Tory tanks firmly on uh the ground of uh

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social progress and uh Mobility social

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Mobility is uh for the Tory party a an

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inspiring and uh very important uh piece

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of political footwork well it's very

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loyal of you but he did say that Jeremy

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Corbin was a Britain hating terrorist

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loving leader and neither of those two

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charges is true is it well I wouldn't uh

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necessarily have used those words uh

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myself no but you know this is a Party

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Conference a big setpiece annual uh

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Speech and you expect a bit of uh that

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sort of knockabout in it well uh it's

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the kind of language that in

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totalitarian countries is used just

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before the leader of the opposition gets

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put under arrest as far as far as I know

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the government has no plans to follow

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that uh pathway did David Cameron make a

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mistake indicating so early when he

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would be going doesn't that transform

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every Tory conclave from now on in into

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a kind of hustings well I don't uh well

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there two as different aspects to your

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question on the on the issue of whether

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there will be a degree of um hustings at

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the next conferences the answer is yes

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but as to whether he was right to do it

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I rather think he was and and and the

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reason is this you and I can both

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remember George former Prime Ministers

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being eased out and pushed out by their

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parties in his case he's made it clear

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how long he's going to stay and I think

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it gives him not only a greater

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all that stuff that others had to face

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but it also I think enables him to

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control the big beasts within the party

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more easily because he's got another

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couple of reshuffles uh in his knapsack

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and uh if uh the big beasts don't uh

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behave don't put their shoulders to the

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wheel to drive forward the policies

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which he has uh set out so clearly in

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that speech then he can get rid of them

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so actually I think it gives him greater

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some of his predecessors of both parties

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have had maybe so uh I think as an

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observer that it disadvantages George

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Osborne um because it's clear that Mr

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Cameron would like to be succeeded by

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him uh but it's also clear that the

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Street uh is of limited uh shelf life so

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it transforms the other candidates into

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as the incumbency and I thought that

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that was partly reflected in the

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conference somewhat to my surprise I

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thought Boris Johnson did really well

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you said Cameron speech was the best

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he'd made uh in 10 years I thought Boris

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Johnson's speech was the best I'd heard

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him give yes it was a a very good speech

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and of course it anchored Boris firmly

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in the one nation uh part of the

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conservative party which is where he

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belongs and it emphasized the success he

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has had as mayor of London over the last

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eight years his record of that and that

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will will help him but in the end you

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know uh George you and I've seen this

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before the favorite never wins look at

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what's happened just happened in the

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labor party look at what happened to the

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conservative party and invariably the

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favorite never wins several times in the

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conservative party in our time together

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yes but the favorite is Osborne and I

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agree with you he's not going to win I

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don't think well the favorite never does

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Boris uh was a more serious character at

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this conference than he was at the last

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one he can he can he can come across a

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kind of harping hippopotamus but

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actually I thought he was really pretty

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sharp at this cont confence yes uh I I

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think I agree with that and I think that

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the speech that he delivered was uh a

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very good speech indeed I thought

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actually that George's speech if you

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read it particularly was uh very strong

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and good indeed this decentralization of

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power which both major political parties

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have sought to do uh largely

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unsuccessfully I think that's an

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important part of extending the uh

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Democratic agenda Democratic

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accountability particularly um so I

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thought they were all very good speeches

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but I agree with you that boris's speech

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was a much more serious speech of a

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leadership Contender than we perhaps

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seen in the past there's the rub uh

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George Osborne's speech reads better

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than it sounded and looked uh and in

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this age Once Upon a Time politics was

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all in the reading now it's all in the

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watching and all in the listening I'm

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not sure that his kind of desiccated

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calculating machine type of delivery

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cuts it in the 21st century well we'll

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see I mean his shares go up and down

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with the economy that is George's great

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strength and although you and I would

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not tend to agree on this I think he's

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done a very good job as Chancellor of

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the exer and as our finance minister but

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in the end his shares in the party uh go

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up and down with the economy and uh his

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position at the moment as favorite if I

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was him I would find an uncomfortable

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position uncomfortable thees a May

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staked out the right-wing ground didn't

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dressing uh bashing the European Union

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more than the others bashing immigrants

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more than the others not sounding too

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liberal on prison and uh other legal

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matters uh she's the right-wing

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candidate uh and Osborne and uh Johnson

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are fighting in the center left would

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that be accurate I I think that Tory

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leadership elections are more complex

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than that and I often think that

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particularly among members of parliament

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uh it's as much personality that counts

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as much as uh as policy I think the

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problem with Theresa May who is clearly

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a very strong Contender is that she

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appeared As I understood her speech to

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be attacking her own record and I'm not

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sure what the purpose of that is if you

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get up on stage and say what a mess

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immigration policy is when you've been

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in charge of it for 5 years it's not

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immediately clear what conclusions you

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are inviting the audience to reach very

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shrewdly put um now let's turn if we may

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to shakar Amar you you know I have the

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highest regard for you and your

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colleague David Davis both of you were

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with Jeremy Corbin on that very

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important mission to Washington you

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were counterintuitively some would say

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as conservatives not particularly

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left-wing ones you were standing up for

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justice you saw Shaker amama banged up

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in guantan Bay without charge without

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trial year after year long after he'd

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been cleared and you've got them out you

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must be feeling quite pleased about that

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well we let's not count the chickens

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till he's back but uh we have uh I hope

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being successful we were pretty

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outspoken when we were there and as I

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think we said before in your program

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this these were four members of

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parliament who've been around the block

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a bit uh of very very different views in

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fact I think I may have said that when

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we all had dinner together we found

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there was nothing we agreed on at all

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apart from the importance of getting

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Shaka am out of should be angry that's

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how it should well but but uh I think we

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need to see him back there are some more

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hurdles to go through but the 30-day

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period has now started and I think one

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of the reasons why David Davis and I and

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others in the conservative party think

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this is such an important issue is that

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in the end if you are going to beat

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uh the terrorists if we are going to

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face down and end the isil Insurgency we

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have got to do it in accordance with the

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rule of law and show that our values are

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better than the values that they assert

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and for the American government to keep

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someone in jail for 14 years who never

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seen his own 13-year-old son to uh do so

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in spite of the fact that two presidents

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have specifically cleared him for

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release one in 20 7 and one in 2009

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never charge him is a very serious

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matter it undermines the principled

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position that I believe Western

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democracies should take in these matters

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so it's it's very important indeed that

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that this incarceration is ended and I

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also believe it's extremely important

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that when he is returned to the United

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Kingdom he speaks out about what has

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happened to him and is not uh silenced

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by uh the lawyers or anyone else that he

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speaks out about what's happened so that

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if there are errors and things that have

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been done wrong in the system we are

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able to put them right now these hurdles

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you mention uh in getting him back these

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are most they they mostly lie in

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Washington yeah yes yes they do and it's

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it's whether or not there's a problem

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with uh the Congress um about the

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procedures but we are very hopeful that

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uh he will be back in that 30-day period

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the British government has said that

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they will be sending a plane to fetch

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him from Guantanamo and the sooner he is

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back here and able to speak uh straight

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to the media not intermediated by anyone

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else about the experiences that he has

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had we can then address anything that

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it welcome back to Sputnik we featured

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momental in a much criticized edition of

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the BBC's Panorama last week but they

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didn't mean it as a compliment the BBC

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itself deeply entangled in a child sex

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abuse Scandal though Panorama didn't put

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it that way has been accused of blaming

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the victims and shooting the

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messenger and the chief Messenger on

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this story is our next guest the editor

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in Chief of EXO news Mark Watts Mark we

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stand by our story that you have

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performed a signal public service with

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the journalistic campaign that you have

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run on this big Scandal Do You Stand by

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Your Story uh we certainly do um bearing

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in mind that what we've done is reported

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on evidence uh and we've been very

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careful not to talk about uh truth of

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specific allegations or falsity of them

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because that not something that's

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appropriate when you've got live

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criminal investigations but I think one

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thing that people should be aware of is

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another very interesting investigation

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that we only revealed on Monday that was

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launched last week and that really lies

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behind what we're seeing which is an

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investigation being conducted by the

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Mets um Professional Standards

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directorate into a senior detective who

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is suspected of leaking the details of

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at least one abuse complainant

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to journalists and is also suspected of

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briefing as it were against operation

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Midland which is the investigation into

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child sex abuse torture and murder now

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we haven't named who that senior

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detective is but I think that is going

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to be one to watch well uh a senior

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police officer leaking to the media

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would not be a first uh but it would be

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a particularly damaging leak if

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established uh and calls further into

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question exactly what's going on here

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I'll tell you my take I think it's the

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public take that the establishment are

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terrified of this story it won't go away

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so the best tactic perhaps the only

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tactic is to blame the victims and and

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shoot the messenger I think that's I I

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think that's what is going on and just

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to be clear that the senior detective

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who's under investigation has nothing to

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do with the pedophile unit uh he's not

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working for the pedophile unit he's not

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working on operation Midland it's

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someone quite separate and um I think

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what we're seeing is the media being

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used actually to do exactly what you say

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which is to attack abuse survivors and

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it's terribly easy to attack abuse

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survivors because they often are not

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always but often are people with

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enormous ongoing problems they may have

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had convictions I mean they generally

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all have problems but some of them have

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convictions some of them um have had a

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pass of taking drugs and so on so it's

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very easy to attack abuse survivors but

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what's interesting is very little has

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been said and Panorama managed I think

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to say literally nothing about the

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police officers the former police

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officers who have come forward to claim

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that past investigations by the police

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into evidence of child sex abuse by

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prominent people including politicians

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were closed down and we have 49 examples

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where the Met has referred I think

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that's the right number 49 referred to

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the independent police complaints

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Commission of which 29 of the Met are

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being pursued by the ipcc and another

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two police forces elsewhere so 31

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ongoing investigations into claims by

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former police officers that operations

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were closed down improperly when they

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were pursuing evidence of child sex

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abuse by MPS or other prominent people

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well I can assure you Panorama did not

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find the time to mention that fact uh

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because I've uh I've studied Panorama

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frame by frame um I was

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surprised that the BBC was the sewer in

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choice for this attack exactly on top of

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on top of shooting the messenger and

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blaming the victims considering what

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considering the many of the alleged and

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some proven abusers were themselves

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high-profile employees of the BBC

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and considering that the BBC suppressed

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their own journalists investigations

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which would have unveiled the conduct of

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Jimmy savil of the BBC much earlier than

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was done um well you're right of course

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that the BBC is hardly an independent

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institution on this matter um but it's

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also interesting to know that there are

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lots of journalists at BBC are very

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conscious of this and I can tell you

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there is Civil War at the BBC over that

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Panorama you have Civil War effectively

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between um some of the journalists on

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BBC News as distinct from Panorama not

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least because some of the journalists on

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BBC News were following some of the big

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stories that we were doing particularly

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on operation Midland which is the the

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investigation into child sex abuse

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torture and murder um and there's there

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there's Fury there's Fury about what

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Panorama has done because one of the

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things that Panorama has done and this

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is something that the Met here in an

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extraordinary strong statements issues

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just as the pro was starting um the Met

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knew what the Panorama was going to say

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because of course Panorama had put at

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some stage some allegations to them and

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they were Furious because they regard uh

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the approach that Panorama took as

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deterring other Witnesses particularly

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abuse survivors from coming forwards and

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I think um they talked about I wonder if

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I can just quickly find the reference

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what the Met said and I have to say I

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completely agree with them but what the

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Met said was was we are worried that

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this program Panorama and other recent

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reporting referring to newspaper reports

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will deter victims and Witnesses from

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coming forward in future seeing an

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individual make allegations and then be

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targeted by the media is not going to

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encourage others to speak out there was

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something a little unseemly about highly

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paid powerful journalists kind of

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bearing down on uh people who were

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clearly a bit unsteady on the legs

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metaphorically especially when they went

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for them and completely didn't mention

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the former police officers um because

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they were perhaps a little bit more

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difficult to um try to discredit as

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Panorama set out to do but I I want to

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tell you something that really brings

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this home after the program um I took a

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call in the early hours of the morning

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from an abuse Survivor who is um has

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come forward and is at the center of a

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police investigation was not even

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mentioned in the Panorama who had

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attempted suicide as a result of that

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program and what that person said to me

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was if I hadn't already come forward

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after watching that I wouldn't now in

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other words exactly what the Met said

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now um apart from the Civil Wars within

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the BBC and media responses how do you

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think the public have the public in

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general received this program well it's

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very hard to gauge that isn't it I I

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have to say that the program was a a

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real muddle and a mess and actually the

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consistent message that I've received

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and we often everyone working for xray

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all been asking you know friends and

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parents and brothers and sisters who are

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not too familiar with the story just to

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get an impression and most people were

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totally befuddled it was a complete

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muddle and I don't know quite frankly

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that the public would know what to make

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of that well they say a camel is a horse

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designed by a committee it looked to me

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like a program that had been forced to

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pull a punch or two here and there that

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had been under pressure internally

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perhaps as a result of the ructions at

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the BBC to which you refer and the

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reason I watched it twice was I couldn't

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quite understand what their point

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was well you're right and and part of

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the reason why they would have had to

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pull the punches from the ones they

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wanted to strike was because the

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solicitor general Robert Buckland

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conservative MP issued a warning a very

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Stark warning um just uh just I think

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roughly two weeks ago which said that no

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media should be

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prejudging active live criminal

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investigation so he was stressing that

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even though there are no court

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proceedings on these investigations into

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VIPs I mean actually there is one but he

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wasn't referring to that one because

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everyone knows not to report too much

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about the one that's going through the

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courts but in terms of the ones that

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just active criminal investigations as

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opposed to court proceedings he warned

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that no one should be reporting anything

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that prejudges the issue in other words

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no one should be saying it is true uh

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that specific allegations are true or

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that specific allegations are false or

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that the Witnesses are talking nonsense

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who are subject still to these live

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criminal investigations now here's the

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problem if you title a program as

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Panorama did um what's the truth first

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of all it was quite obvious that

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Panorama didn't know what the truth was

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but even if you did know according to

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the solicitor general's warning you

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shouldn't be saying because this is

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active criminal investigation and we

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have to allow the police and judicial

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system to work now that's not to say

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that it's unreasonable to scrutinize

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what they're doing I think it is

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reasonable to do that and to ask

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questions I think it's fair enough to

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sort of ask questions about why did the

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senior police officer talk about the key

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witness at the base of operation Midland

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being credible and true I mean that is

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fair enough and you know we our eyebrows

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raised when that phrase was used it was

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perfectly reasonable has I have I I in

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my view for the police to talk about the

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witness being credible and his accounts

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has been credible and interestingly the

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Met has repeated that just recently in

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the face of all the false reporting uh

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which seems to have come from the senior

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detective uh who's got nothing to do

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with operation Midland who under

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investigation that the claim was that

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the operation was on the running out of

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steam winding down the made it clear

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they got 20 27 officers on this case and

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they they made they made the point that

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they would not be doing so would not be

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investigating this in this way if they

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didn't regard

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the core allegations has been credible

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credible yeah now summarize for us where

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this all now

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stands who's under investigation not the

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names but the kind of people uh are

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charges already laid against anyone are

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they likely to be laid soon as far as

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you're able within the constraints of

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professional ethics and and the law just

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summarize for the viewer where this

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scandal now St well so far um we have

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had the DPP issue a statement some while

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ago now um which I don't think also was

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mentioned in Panorama about Cecil Smith

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who was uh a liberal MP of senior

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backbencher and we learned from that DPP

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statement that there were three

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occasions on which he should have been

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prosecuted over allegations of child sex

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abuse the evidence was strong enough to

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charge and yet that did not happen so

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that's that we have the current case

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that I referred to earlier um

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with Lord janana who's a former uh labor

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MP and he's facing a trial we expect it

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to be converted into a trial the facts

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because we're we're really expecting um

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a finding that he's not fit to plead and

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what the trial of the facts will do is

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determine whether the alleged acts which

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is from memory it's 22 counts of child

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sex abuse that's alleged and he he does

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deny the allegations uh the court will

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will be charged as it were with finding

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whether the Acts were done and beyond

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that we have uh an incredible number of

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police investigations uh up and down the

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land into prominent people the one as I

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say that people are most conscious of is

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operation Midland which started as a

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result of evidence that exero first

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reported um and that is investigating

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allegations of child sex abuse by a

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group of very prominent uh men including

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politicians but not only politicians as

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well as murder is in fact investigating

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allegations of three murders in addition

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to that we are aware of a former liberal

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Democrat MP who is subject to a um

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criminal investigation we are aware of a

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serving labor mp uh who also is under

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investigation by the police for child

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sex abuse I mean there were a plethora

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of Investigations into prominent people

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and in addition to which we have the

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ipcc investigations a plethora of them

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into closed operations of the past Mark

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wats more power to your elbow That's

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What I Say Thanks very thanks for coming

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on the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's ratling guy well I

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asked them whether they agreed that

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David kon's attack on Jeremy Corbin is

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basically Civil War speech and Michael

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Taylor answers it was done to tease out

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a reaction from JC so that Cameron can

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revert to shouting and bullying well

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that's all have you got for this week

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which alas means that's the end of the

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goodbye from me G and from me George

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Galloway it's been

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marvelous