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there are decades when nothing happens

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in the new world for weeks Read days and

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now in just 24 hours Britain voted to

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leave the EU the Prime Minister

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announced his departure from 10 dowy

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Street the Scottish government declared

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it wanted out of Britain and Ireland's

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largest party said that now was the time

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for the north of Ireland to exit the UK

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it's Panic stations amongst the r Elites

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all that was solid to them is melting

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into air the sacred tenants of

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neoliberalism are being profaned in this

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special edition of Sputnik we're looking

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at how the B lines now stand from two

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very different political perspectives

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first up British Broadcasting royalty

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Selena Scott she first interviewed me on

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television when I was a teenager

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although she introduced me as George

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Gallows rather smartly I think for a

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19-year-old I answered you'll swing for

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that Selena finally we meet again alas I

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recall it but you don't it was much more

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significant to me it too it was too many

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years ago I'm not admitting to it

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actually George now look uh you very

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famously one wondrously uh tussled with

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making a one-hour documentary do you see

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this result as being a part of the same

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phenomena as the rise of Donald Trump

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maybe even the rise of of Jeremy Corbin

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a rejection of the prevailing Orthodoxy

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absolutely uh and it's taken a political

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earthquake as you've so rightly just

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said for us to get rid of this

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unaccountable group of people at

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Brussels Elite who influence our lives

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in every single respect and there is

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there is no Outlet now for people who

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want to campaign against something

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that's been decided in Brussels you

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to come to you saying George you know

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stuck you know the the impoverished the

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desperate have no Outlet so this

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referendum has been an absolute godsend

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for them but uh yeah we're famous for

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the old phrase keep calm and carry on

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but Britain seems to have gone into a

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bit of a Tiz over this Democratic result

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we've got londoners campaigning for

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Independence we've got the Scots

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threatening to leave people even

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London against the decision of the

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British people just a few hours before

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and it's the poor I never thought I'd

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hear myself saying this about this

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country but I I come from the north I

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come to London I see London almost as a

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different planet and I think the EU

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thinks London is Britain but you go to

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Yorkshire and you you look at Reka you

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of me you look at Hull you look at

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Whitby you go to you go to Scotland and

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you look at peterhead and you look at

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Fraser and you see the devastation and

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the hollowing out of communities not

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that goes and when they have there's no

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legitimate means of expression you're

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lost I mean recently uh Cameron went

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into the Paris Accord the climate Accord

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the planet the very next day he

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announced fracking an imposed fracking

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on a on a whole pile of people near

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where I live live and there is no

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legitimate means of stopping this the

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local MP went off to uh America payre

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out of his own pocket he said to find

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out how fracking would damage Yorkshire

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fine it's wonderful can't get him

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through Freedom of Information because

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themselves so Barkley's bank has moved

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in has bought up Energy company that's

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going to start to frack and no one can

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the winners in globalization against the

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losers in globalization isn't it and

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there are more losers than there are

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winners uh and that's seen regionally as

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people EMP employ European nannies and

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cleaners and their espresso machiato is

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served by a low paid East European

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waitress uh but also in London in places

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like barking and dagenham uh there was

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an overwhelming majority to leave the EU

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so it's A Tale of Two Cities even in

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London it is I mean I was at a debate

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the other night and uh there was um a

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black girl there uh a teacher uh I

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forget her name so I hope she forgives

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me if she sees me today but she was like

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a star she set about uh Anna subri as it

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was you know the conservative uh

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Minister who it was this kind of

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patronizing attitude that you know

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for the benefit of people who are in

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power who are in politics and that Great

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to have to come to an end uh you put

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earlier very rightly that it's actually

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between a have and a Have Nots now

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this whole leave the EU um campaign and

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sentiment was was sphe headed by the by

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Nigel farage in a popular way it is very

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much branded as a racist thing to leave

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that that argument uh is is is

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absolutely uh totally wrong you

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somewhere that may see this from a

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racist point of view but the majority of

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are well integrated I would never ever

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consider the color of somebody's skin to

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determine whether I you know voted for

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immigration or out of immigration

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immigration is a political issue it's to

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do with the public services that are

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available the shelter that's available

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the way that we can govern our country

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and allow people of all kinds of

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different n races and nationalities to

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come in and integrate but it's to to

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blame it on the people I mean I think is

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a is deceitful actually well of course

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the great majority of Europeans are

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quite Europeans and they have free

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movement uh of Labor coming in so there

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is no race question per se uh because

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Polish people are as white as you or me

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if we were in Poland no one could tell

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we were British and uh vice versa uh as

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a matter of fact uh the working people

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of all colors like the black woman you

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said was in your debate like the many

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nearly 40% of uh Asians for example in

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Britain voted out of the EU for them

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Labor I.E wages down and you can only

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drive the number of job opportunities

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uh that has suffered a great deal of

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thing is that the poor can always

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imagine what it's like to be rich you

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know they can think about the holidays

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the cars you know the the health care uh

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rich to imagine themselves being poor

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you've got kids that need help if if

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you're stuck with a hospital that can't

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people who are demanding care uh you you

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one of the worst things and yet I don't

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think people actually understand what it

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what it is like to be that as Jimmy

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I've been poor and I believe me rich is

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better uh the uh political consequences

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timing and led the campaign has

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necessarily uh announced his

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departure uh some people say that that

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will give us then a a Tory government

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even more right-wing than his I don't

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myself buy that I don't see that Boris

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Johnson and Michael go any more

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rightwing than David Cameron for me

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they're two halves of the Bullington

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the EU the new prime minister uh will

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need to seek a democratic mandate

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conservative party conference without

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debates that are still going on I mean

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petitions are seen to be the way forward

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an animal rights activist but I care

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like a lot of people in this country

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animals are Commodities a bit like they

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take the view that people the labor

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market are Commodities that's what they

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think of the workers they do but they

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they put these poor creatures into

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trucks and they they push them across

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the continent thousands of miles in

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inhumane conditions and they end up in

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abattoirs unregulated North Africa the

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Middle East and there's not one thing we

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can do about it other than get onto the

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internet and petition it but the this

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government and previous governments have

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the commoners were petitioning King

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Henry III I think before we went into a

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bloody Civil War and then we went on

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down the years with martyrdom and two

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world wars were fought and then of

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course the suffragettes allowed me to

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have a vote and then they turn around

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and say well yes you know we decide you

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way across the continent we will do so

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and we don't care what you say well no

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one elects these people who uh who rule

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us from Europe and no one can remove

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them no one need even know their name I

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the European Union has just resigned his

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name is Hill I was going to ask what his

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name was Hill but more a mole hill uh

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because I'd never heard of him still Les

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had n in his uh lavish no doubt uh

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lavish uh appointment now the uh you I

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think could be described as a as a

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conservative uh

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supporter uh no actually no am I wrong

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no no no absolutely you know wrong then

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I beg your pardon I should think so when

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you said conservative I thought you

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meant little C yes uh but when you say

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conservative Big C no I I feel very

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strong I feel very strongly that the

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conservative party just you sticks

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together like sheep once a conservative

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group say that's it that's it well I was

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seeking to segue into uh making making

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you give me your tip uh for going to be

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the next Prim Minister prime minister we

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both know Michael Gove I think uh he's a

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very clever fellow should be the next

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Minister pretty decent fellow in my

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opinion more decent than his Rivals uh

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do you think he has a fighting chance or

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do you think Boris Johnson's got it in

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the bag I I don't think Boris has got it

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in the bag uh the as I said earlier the

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conservative party grouped together and

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I if they don't want Boris they won't

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have Boris it seems to me there seems to

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be much talk about Theresa May but so

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you know she she should have spoken up

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earlier it seems to me if she wanted

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worthy worthy but dull in my opinion

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Selena Scott thank you it's wonderful to

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see you again thank coming up next more

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on the results of the EU referendum stay

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welcome back to Sputnik most sensible

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people understand the brexit vote was in

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part a rejection by the working class of

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the prevailing neoliberal Orthodoxy even

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if they might not have put it quite like

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that 40% of Labor voters chose to leave

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and that doesn't even include the

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millions of workingclass Labor voters

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who' already left labor for ukip and

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elsewhere many trade unions having lost

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confidence in their own ability to

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defend their members supported the EU to

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do it for them one of those that didn't

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was the rail and Maritime Union the rmt

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and one of their leaders Alex Gordon

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joins us now Alex I'm right am andai

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this was the working class the have

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knots the people without money saying

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two fingers to A system that is actually

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designed for and operated by those that

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have got all the things that they don't

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well I think there's a great deal of uh

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discussion in the media in the immediate

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aftermath of this tremendous vote uh of

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what it represents in terms of different

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segments of the population and you'll

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see various commentators talking about

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how young people voted for the European

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Union or Scottish people voted for the

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European Union but the clearest single

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division that runs right the way through

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this referendum vote is that

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workingclass people could not be

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persuaded to vote for the European Union

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and in many cases voted against it in

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massive numbers I mean the polling

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numbers in workingclass constituencies

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workingclass areas were exceptionally

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high and there were anecdotal stories of

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you know places like basilon uh in Essex

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uh places in the Northeast where there

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was very very heavy polling in solid

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labor Heartland seats in the Northeast

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such as Sunderland one one of the first

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results to come in there was very very

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heavy voting by working people rejecting

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the European Union even in Glasgow and

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yet the official Trade union bureaucracy

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for the most part painted the EU as the

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workers's friend why didn't the workers

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see it that way well because it's a

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completely untenable point of view and

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uh we're not living in the Dark Ages

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we're living where people have

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televisions smartphones access to news

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programs such as yours and wide access

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through the internet to a variety of

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sources and it's very very clear whether

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you look at the plight of subsaharan

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African refugees perishing in the

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Mediterranean uh because of Fortress

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Europe and because their economies have

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been destroyed by the European Union

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jumping dumping cheap subsidized

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agricultural products on their countries

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or whether you look at the pro policies

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of austerity which the European

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commission and the European Central Bank

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have imposed on Greece Portugal Ireland

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but also are part of the European Union

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treaties it's very very clear that the

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European Union has been attacking

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welfare states attacking working people

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uh from Lisbon to talin uh you know you

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can see it right the way across the

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piece and working people whatever some

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politicians might think aren't stupid

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well that's a key Point uh I think the

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presumption was that they were stupid

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and that the fear of something worse

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would make them cling to nurse now there

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are reasons to fear a continuation of

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Tor government I think actually that

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Johnson and Gove are not as quite as

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rightwing as Cameron and Osborne but in

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any case they are two cheeks of the same

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backside uh from my point of view other

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views are available uh but the point

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surely is that we can vote them out

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whereas we could not ever vote Out Mr

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Tusk or her junker or the head of the

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European Central Bank Etc and uh yes and

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there's been this confection of project

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fear uh which has been particularly

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promoted by a lot of leftwing supporters

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of the r remain campaign that are vote

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to come out of the European Union was

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going to lead to some sort of fantasy

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Coalition between Nigel farage uh a man

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who has one MP in the house stand

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him and Boris Johnson I mean Boris

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Johnson couldn't open a supermarket

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without being attacked by a Tory MP he

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is reviled by at least 50% of his own

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parliamentary party if not more uh the

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fact is this vote was never going to

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create a stable right-wing Tory post

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brexit government it was only lik to

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have one outcome and that was to bring

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the conservative government down and

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anyone who had any kind of objective

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analysis

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of what was likely to happen could see

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that that was true and yet there have

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been Legions of well-paid

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left-wing political commentators who

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have been telling voters exactly the

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opposite that's absolutely correct on

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the other hand everything we said in the

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campaign has already come to pass the

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people did vote to leave the

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workingclass voted overwhelmingly to

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leave David Cameron has had to leave

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George Osborne is toasted

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and they're already talking about the

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untenability

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of Boris Johnson government taking

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Britain into these negotiations without

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a general election so we're going to get

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a general election either at the end of

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this year or at the beginning of next

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I.E several years before we would have

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got one uh and therefore the possibility

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of the Tories being out altogether is

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suddenly upon us and indeed uh last

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night the uh online news Source uh Ur

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active which closely follows Brussels uh

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Insider political developments was

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briefing that senior Tor sources in

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Brussels had told them that the

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timetable for a general election was

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going to be November in other words the

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Tores are going to have a

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leadership uh competition now they don't

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know who the various Runners and Riders

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will be but they'll complete that before

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their conference in September they'll

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call the election in October and the

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election will take place in November so

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what they're hoping to do of course is

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to have a brexit uh position for that

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election uh what the labor party needs

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to learn from this if it can is that it

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needs to recover its credibility with

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the masses of working-class Voters who

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rejected the European Union and get

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behind them and to come up with a

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credible raft of policies behind Jeremy

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Corbin's leadership uh which will uh let

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the labor party go into to a November

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election uh behind socially Progressive

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policies taking control of our Railways

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back into public ownership stopping any

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more possibility of the privatization of

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the National Health Service getting hold

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of the energy companies and putting them

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back into public ownership uh

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controlling prices uh of gas electricity

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uh Etc there's a whole series of

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progressive policies that are now

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possible because of that vote to leave

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the European Union that would have conf

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flicted with Britain's commitments under

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EU treaties had Jeremy Corbin advocated

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them before uh Thursday's vote and yet

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and yet instead of that uh the very

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people for whom Jeremy Corbin was out

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campaigning I believe against his better

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instincts when he campaigned for a

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Romain vote those very people who most

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believe in the Romain cause are now

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planning on Tuesday uh to stab him in

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the back and create a crisis inside the

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labor party at a time when the Tory

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party is falling

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apart indeed they are and I think to be

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fair to those people uh they would have

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done this whatever the results the

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person that they've put up uh to

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challenge Jeremy at the moment seems to

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be one Margaret Hodge uh whose own

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constituents of course voted by a very

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substantial minority uh in East London

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uh in favor of leave d Margaret Hodge to

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give her her Sunday name uh is of course

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uh her and her husband are not

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millionaires but

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billionaires uh that doesn't make her a

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bad person but it makes her a slightly

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incredible standard Bearer for the

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challenge against uh Jeremy Corbin well

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I think uh their problem is that they

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don't really have a credible blairite

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candidate um and that that's been quite

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obvious during the last uh during the

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last year

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uh it's very difficult to imagine uh

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somebody such as Chua amuna yeah who was

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just gabbling on Thursday night uh

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Friday morning uh simply had no idea how

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to respond to the evidence uh of

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workingclass distaste and rejection of

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the European Union that was unfolding

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before his eyes uh it's very difficult

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to think of who exactly they're going to

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put up who could be a credible leader of

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the labor party certainly I don't see

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anyone who could uh beat Jeremy Corbin

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in a straightforward fight in a vote

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amongst ordinary labor supporters where

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Jeremy is still by Far and Away the most

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popular labor leader that has been for

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many many years amongst his own

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membership it may be that they're going

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to follow what I call the Joe Haynes

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strategy of electing their own leader in

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Parliament uh who will de facto become

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the official leader of the opposition

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and the dispenser of the short money

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millions of pounds of taxpayers money

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that uh is given to the leader of the

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opposition so Jeremy would then be the

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leader of the labor party in the country

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but the Parliamentary labor party would

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have a different leader and uh the the

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word on the street is a fellow called

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Dan Jarvis a former

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paratrooper uh that uh he'll be the

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official leader of the opposition and

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Jeremy can go and tour the

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shers yeah I mean will that work uh what

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you are see I mean this is not a

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Fantastical speculation because as you

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say Joe Haynes has written about it

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openly in the new Statesman as his uh

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methodology for how to uh hold a coup in

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the labor party but let's be clear about

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this uh firstly labor party members

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would not stand for that secondly the

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trade Unions would not support uh such a

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move and the one thing you can say about

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the labor movement is that we do

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remember our history and this has been

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done before this is shades of Ramsey

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McDonald and if there was an attempt to

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lead such a coup uh to set up a

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government of national Unity with Blair

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rights and pro-european or pro-eu Tories

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and libdems for example which is another

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uh another discussion uh then the trade

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Unions would have to if they understand

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their history make it very clear that

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they're sticking by the elected leader

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of the labor party so I think anyone who

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tried to carry out the Joe Haynes

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strategy that you're talking about would

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clearly lead to a break between their

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grouping and the Trade union Affiliated

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party well I think the blairites have a

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very unstable Prospect anyway with the

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chilot report coming out in less than a

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month absolutely that's before we even

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mention chok don't mention the war not

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least because we've run out of time Alex

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Gordon thanks for joining us on board

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