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people who really govern us now men with

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the European

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Union yeah um you said Britain will gain

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a bit of confidence if we leave the

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European Union do you think that would

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be enough to counteract a massive

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uncertainty surrounding a Le because no

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one actually knows what the trade bills

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will negotiate or may not be able to

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negotiate look like because the Le

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campaign looks at one model you know

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says that's not right moves on to

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another no one has any idea what this

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could look like well I've tried to paint

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a picture in Broad brush terms it's all

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I can do in time available to me now uh

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of what it would look like it would be

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us continuing to trade with the member

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states of the European Union if it

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continued to exist and trading with the

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rest of the world on a freely negotiated

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fair trade basis which we're not allowed

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to do at the moment we we cannot

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conclude uh a trade agreement with India

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for example only the European Union can

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do that but we can negotiate our own

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with India or with any of the other

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Rising bricks economies and we will do

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and the one thing we won't get is ttip

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the transatlantic trade and investment

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partnership which is an existential

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threat to everything that we hold dear

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in this country or at least the majority

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of us do which is being negotiated in

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secret between the EU and the US

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and which would be an unmitigated

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disaster for us and of course the Tories

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Johnson Gove they could maybe try and

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sign a ttip themselves but I predict you

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very confidently I bet my house on it

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that they would not be able to persuade

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the British people that we should sign

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the

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ttip and if they did they would lose the

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next election largely on it you'll have

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spotted the in my ey answer I'm talking

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a lot about democracy because I believe

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in it and I didn't deal with the young

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man's point on the back British

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democracy is very very far from

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perfect it's absurd that we have a

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hereditary monarchy happy birthday

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man it's absurd that Prince Charles will

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become our head of state even though

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he's as thick as two

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planks and the idea of a hereditary

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brain surgeon

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is clearly as Preposterous as having a

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hereditary head of state it's true that

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an unelected House of Lords is a stain

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on our democracy and needs to be

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abolished all of that is true but we've

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got far more democracy in Britain than

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we have in the European Union that's my

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point we have chance probably for one

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more possibly two questions Mr Mitchell

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you have your hand up yeah I just wanted

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it

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British government or just an English

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one I don't as I told you at the

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beginning I fought the Scottish

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referendum in

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2014 and I've absolutely accurately

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predicted the outcome

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5545 so listen to me now that this

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outcome is going to be of the same order

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maybe a point

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less um the Scottish people are quite

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canny with money that's why I'll be

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seeing your teacher afterwards to get my

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petrol money for the drive

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here we're quite good with money and we

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know that an independence project

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predicated on oil at

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$113 a barel when it's only just reached

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$50 a barrel doesn't add up uh so if

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there was another referendum and there's

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no legal right to one

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and the parties all were very clear that

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this would be the last referendum in a

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generation well even in these rapidly

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moving times a generation is not uh two

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or three years uh but if there were to

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be a referendum I'm confident that the

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result would be the same and by the way

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look out for this point that I'm also

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predicting to you the result on

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membership of the EU in Scotland will be

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very much closer than you you would

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think if you just listened to the

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political class uh of uh of political

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leaders who all pretend that Scotland's

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in love with the EU we're just about to

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find out that that's not actually true

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so I don't believe that Britain will

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break up I'll fight uh to avoid it uh

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but of course the Scottish people have a

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right to Independence if they choose it

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and uh I hope that they don't and I

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don't believe that they will

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thank you very much unfortunately I'm

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going to have to leave it there um I'm

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going to hand over to Charlie in a

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second to give a vote of thanks but uh

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this is one of a number of EU referendum

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events that are happening here at

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Merchant Taylor's it'd be great if we

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can get similar numbers along tomorrow

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afternoon to see Peter Lily also talk uh

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in sport of leaving uh the EU and on

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Thursday we obviously have a an um

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Merchant Taylor's referendum we also

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have David gork uh coming in to talk in

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support of remaining in the EU and that

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will be at lunchtime actually in my

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classroom that's EP 52b uh so lots of EU

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referendum events coming up over the

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next week and of course the the actual

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referendum date is Thursday the 23rd so

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uh Charlie if you like to take on behalf

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of all of us like you

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very you

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[Applause]