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well I'm sorry that John rental has uh

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hung up because I would have liked to

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have engaged him on some of the points

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that he made the fact that Mr Blair's

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Chief spokesman on Earth John Reno is

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the man responsible for the story and

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the man who you've just been listening

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to belies uh the idea that Tony Blair is

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not behind this delay uh I'm absolutely

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convinced that Tony Blair is behind this

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delay this is a carefully calculated

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rear guard action to delay and delay uh

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the finding of the truth about a war

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with cataclysmic consequences almost uh

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uh unimaginable consequences not just

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I'm talking about The Million Dead But

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the many more who are dying and will die

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now as a direct result of the extremism

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that the War uh begat and uh this is uh

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a scandal that uh will not go away

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whether they publish the the report this

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year next year or in 10 years time the

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people uh can draw the conclusions from

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this delay that the Scandal that is in

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the report is going to be Earth shaking

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it's going to be State shaking in its

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consequences well George you mentioned

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John rental in a response potentially to

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that that allegation that Tony Blair

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might be the one behind holding this up

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um we we've got John back and he has

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heard the points that you have made John

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if I bring you in now your response to

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to what you've heard Mr Galloway say

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there well I'm I'm I'm sorry you

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introduced him as the chairman of stop

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the war because I mean the stop the war

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campaign is very far from wanting to

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stop uh Wars that uh uh that it that it

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supports Galloway let's remember that

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George Galloway was expelled from the

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labor party not because he wanted to

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stop the war but because he wanted to

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fight it on the other side

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um and meanwhile uh claiming that uh

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claiming that there was a million a

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million dead is just wild wild

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exaggeration his arguments against the

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Iraq War are strong enough not not to

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need that kind of uh that kind of

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dishonest uh uh statistical claim uh and

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he has no evidence for suggesting that

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Tony Blair was is responsible for

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holding up the uh the chilcott inquiry

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which is an independent inquiry George

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Tony Blair whose rather grubby

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mouthpiece you are and it's a great

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shame on the independent that they allow

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you virtually weekly to continue to

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defend this man who caused a million

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dead in Iraq who spawned Isis who are

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now cutting people's heads off and

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eating their hearts all over the Middle

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East is the the the main criminal in

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this picture this inquiry is supposed to

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be looking into how Britain was led into

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this disaster it was led into it by Tony

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Blair he's the one who could end up

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should end up on trial in jail as a

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result of This Disaster how many dead

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people does it take for a British prime

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minister to have to be held to account

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to face the music and how many new Dead

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is it going to take before John rental

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stops this broken record defending this

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indefensible individual John do you feel

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that you are you are defending Tony

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Blair because to be to be quite honest I

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can't see anything in your piece today

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which suggests that there's a defense

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there well no I mean I was trying to in

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in that article to report uh report

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what's happening uh fairly and

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objectively but in my role as a

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commentator yes I I have defended Tony

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Blair against against some of the

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outrageous things that George Galloway

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uh says uh I mean the point for George

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Gallow to pretend that he's in any way

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open-minded or might be swayed by the

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findings of the chilcot inquiry is is

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absolutely absurd I when when the Jil

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Cott inquiry finally does see the light

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of day uh I can guarantee that that

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George Galloway won't won't accept any

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of the findings and uh and will continue

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to believe what he has always believed

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is that fair George do well that seems

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to suggest that John knows what's in the

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chil cot inquiry report maybe he does

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why don't you ask him John well no of

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course I don't but I one thing I is not

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one thing that I know that isn't in it

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George is is the suggestion that that

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Tony Blair lied to Parliament uh when he

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was making the case to uh to uh take

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military action against Saddam Hussein

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George if the inquiry does come back and

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it finds actually that the decisions to

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made to go into Iraq even though they

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were based on false intelligence were at

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the time justifiable would your view

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change Tom don't lose sight of the point

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that's just been made John rental said

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that I will not accept any any he said

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of the conclusions of the chilot inquiry

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that seems to suggest that he knows what

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those conclusions are now that's a very

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George it suggests that I know what your

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views are and that they're completely

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unreasonable well and and but that

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suggests that you know that chilot isn't

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going to come down on any any of the

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points that I and the stop the war

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Coalition are making that's quite a

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revealing statement