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good evening ladies and

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gentlemen brothers and sisters comrades

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and friends and I hope I don't have any

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friends left at the end of the night

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which sometimes happens to me by which I

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mean I hope you'll all be my comrades in

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listed in our uh campaign here in

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Hastings and Ry my name is George

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Galloway Member of Parliament for

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Bradford West

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constituency uh and the leader of the

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resp

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party uh I don't often find myself uh in

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Hastings and I certainly almost never

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find myself in a bar but this is a kind

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of special bar I must say and I'm very

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grateful to the owner for uh putting up

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with us this evening and I hope that uh

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whilst I'm the last person to encourage

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people to drink alcohol I hope he does

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well uh at the cash register uh as a

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reward for allowing us to have this

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meeting here this evening uh Hastings is

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kind of a special uh place for me some

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of my dear friends live here Steve fery

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from Alabama 3 is there working with us

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on the Tony Blair film uh that we are uh

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going to be bringing out very soon

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indeed so soon that Mr Blair's knees are

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beginning to knock together I can almost

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hear them the film's called the

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killing of Tony Blair it doesn't involve

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me actually killing Tony Blair though it

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would be a very successful film if it

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did uh it deals with the killings of

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Tony Blair the killing of the labor

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party as we knew it and needed it the

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killing of a million people in Iraq and

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Afghanistan and other places and the

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financial killing which Tony Blair has

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been making out of the previous two

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killings in the seven fat years that he

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has enjoyed if that's the word since

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leaving office seven fat years for him

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seven lean years for the British people

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uh but even worse for the people of the

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Middle East where I remind you uh he is

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laughably engaged as the Middle East

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peace Envoy that's going well in it um

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so uh Steve lives here uh my friend

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Lloyd Williams and other great musicians

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come from Brighton uh David Lofts our

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cander is also a musician uh and we've

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got a bass player as well and quite a

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few instruments lying around so later I

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think there'll be quite a jam session uh

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going on uh but let me uh just say a few

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words uh more about

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Hastings Hastings was the site of the

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most important book that I've ever read

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at least non-religious book uh the

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Ragged trouser philanthropist written by

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Robert Trestle who was buried until

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recently in an unmarked grave in

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Liverpool was uh one of the most seminal

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uh books of my life it made the case for

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the politics that I support and have

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supported uh all of my life since my

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early teenage years it made the case

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Against Racism unbelievably written in

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1901 in

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Hastings it made the case against the

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witch hunting scapegoating of immigrants

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in almost exactly the same words as I'm

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going to do tonight about the

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scapegoating and witch hunting of

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immigrants more than a 100 years later

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of course the immigrants in question uh

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when Trestle wrote that wonderful book

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were Jewish immigrants but the discourse

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around them was identical to the

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discourse that we have today well they

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dress different to us they eat different

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to us they even insist on speaking their

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languages even when we are around their

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relations with their women are are

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different from ours they don't go to

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pubs they don't drink they

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haven't integrated with our way of life

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all of that is directly from the

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dialogue in the Ragged trouser

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philanthropist written here in

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1901 and yet have any of you heard

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similar discourse in the current climate

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in which we're living I'm certain that

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you have so I'm going to start with that

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issue as I describe what respect stands

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for we fight

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racism and racism

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includes islamophobia hatred fear of

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Islam and anti-Semitism hatred fear of

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the Jews we are

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against false dichotomies in life

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we think and I've just spent a long time

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on the road in Scotland trying to kill

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another false dichotomy that's out

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running in our society namely that

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Scotland's problem is the English and if

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only Scotland could break away from the

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English everything would be hunky dory

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we reject that we reject the idea that

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immigrants have anything to do with our

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current problems

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I came here today driving through the

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city of London the richest square mile

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on the earth in that square mile the

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recklessness

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dishonesty

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absolute greed avarice and

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Corruption of a small number of people

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has brought this country to the brink of

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Ruin indeed some parts of the country

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actually to ruin and I promise you that

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almost none of them were

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immigrants I promise you that almost

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none of them were black people almost

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none of them were Asians they were white

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people like me wearing white shirts like

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me though they probably had a tie and I

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don't the people who have brought this

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country to the brink of Ruin were as

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British as Roast Beef in Yorkshire p as

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anybody in this land

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and because of their recklessness for

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which by the way they haven't paid any

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kind of price as I always say if you

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pick someone's pocket in the Liverpool

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Street station in the city of London

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you'll be behind bars pretty damn quick

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but if you pick a bank if you pick a

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finance house a stock broker company if

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you are a part of the small Coty of

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people that have almost bankrupted

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Britain you're try chances of ending up

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behind bars are practically zero none of

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these people have paid a price either

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legally or financially or economically

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for the crimes of the bankers that

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brought us to

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this virtually none of them have gone to

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jail and most of them are still earning

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the same kind of obscene bonuses and

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salaries that brought us to this pass

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who's paid therefore who's paid are the

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people who never caused the crisis in

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the first place the people in the

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industrial and po industrial parts of

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Britain the people in Seaside places

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like this one that are on their economic

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uppers they are the people who have paid

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the price for this crisis even though

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they had no part at all in

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bringing it

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about so we say we will not

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tolerate a strategy a policy that asks

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the working people who are entirely

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innocent of all offense to pay the price

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for the crimes and greed of the Rich and

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Powerful we say that to freeze public

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sector wages year after year after year

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and Ed Miland has just made clear that

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if labor is elected in

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May public sector wages will continue to

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Frozen that that's simply unjust we say

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that the people who depend on the public

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services that the public sector workers

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provide cannot be asked to pay the price

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for this crisis why should they they're

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already living on the edge of poverty

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and

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penury some of them on the edge of

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Oblivion people disabled people for

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example committing

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suicide as a result of the harassment

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that they feel under from atos the

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agency set up by Tony Blair's government

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continued by Camerons that witch hunts

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witch hunts disabled people as if they

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were somehow the cause of our problems

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so we reject the idea that the workers

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and the poor must be made to pay and it

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follows as I implied that we certainly

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reject the idea that the problem of

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ordinary people here in Hastings is

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Muhammad who runs the corner shop or

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ravinder uh who uh who runs the local

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cafe or Indian restaurant they

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contributed nothing to the problem we

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had and as a matter of fact the

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immigrants in this country are often

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times doing jobs that no one else can

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either do or wants to do in many cases

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people are in this country because we

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have been bombing and attacking their

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country and it seems particularly

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perverse to be making War around the

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world creating wave of refugees and then

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making a human and cry when relatively a

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tiny number of those refugees end up on

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our Shores I mean if I was going to put

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it bluntly it would be if we stop

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invading and occupying other people's

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countries fewer of them would be

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refugees and fewer of them would be here

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so we reject the idea that our problems

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are anything to do with the Immigrant

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population and the children and

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grandchildren now of those immigrants

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because when farage talks about

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immigrants he's not differentiating

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between somebody whose grandfather was

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immigrant but whose father and mother

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were not immigrants still less is he or

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she an immigrant but they look different

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to us just like those Jews in the Ragged

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trouser philanthropist written in

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1901 equally we reject farage's idea

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that our problems are to do with Johnny

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forigner across the channel in fact the

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SNP in Scotland are the mirror image of

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njel farage according to the SNP

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Scotland's problem is the English

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according to njel farage England's

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problem is Johnny forigner across there

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both of these are entirely for

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analysis our problems are not that we're

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in the European

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Union in fact if we pulled out of the

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European Union for all of its faults

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which are many and deep and

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profound Britain would be up a gum

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tree we would be up the proverbial creek

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without a paddle and I'm here to say to

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you that the constant search for

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somebody else to

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blame other than the economic and

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political system that we ourselves allow

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to be implemented against our own

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interest is a false dawn it's a it's

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chasing a false a chimera which will

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lead to nothing but further trouble I

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alluded earlier uh to the question of

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War if we stand for three things it

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would be these the one I've just talked

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about the reality of our economic and

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political crisis here in this country

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the second would be our propensity to go

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invading other people's

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countries and creating multiplying

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pre-existing no doubt problems in the

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world and if we have any leading role

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that we have played over this last

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decade or more it would be in our

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struggle against the

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wars respect and me and other leaders of

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respect were the leaders of the anti-war

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movement and everything that we said

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turned out to be true and everything

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that our adversaries said turned out to

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be false where they were not actually ad

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deliberate falsehood I always make the

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point now when I'm interviewed on

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television which happens less and less

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often uh I always make the point when

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they describe me as controversial I

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always say what's controversial about

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having been against the Iraq

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War in fact the only controversial view

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on that now would be to continue to say

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that the Iraq War Invasion occupation

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had been the right thing to do are there

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any sentient being left in the land who

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think that invading and occupying Iraq

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was the right thing to do Tony Blair uh

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Tony Blair I absorve because I think

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he's frankly gone mad and I'll come to

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him again later we

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said I said personally to Tony

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Blair if you invade

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Iraq the fall of Baghdad will not be the

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beginning of the end merely the end of

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the

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beginning if you invade Iraq there is no

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al-Qaeda in Iraq but if you invade there

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will be hundreds of thousands of

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al-Qaeda in Iraq if you invade Iraq

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extremism will Cascade across the entire

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world including in our own country there

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will be drive by shootings there will be

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bombs there will be people committing

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suicide

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in order to kill as many of us as they

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can I told them all

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this outside the gentleman's labry in

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the library Corridor of the House of

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Commons to be absolutely precise I told

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him all of

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this but he didn't listen either to me

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or to the millions of British people

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that were marching on the streets even

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before they knew what they know now

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think about that Millions marched

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against the wall War even when we must

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have

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believed Tony Blair's claimed that Iraq

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had weapons of mass

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destruction and now that we know that

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that was all just a pack of

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Lies what Insanity the Iraq war must

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seem now all of these things that I

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warned Blair have come to

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pass sure Saddam fell sure Baghdad fell

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was that the end was that mission

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accomplished is Iraq better

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now how could anyone claim

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that a Million Dead

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Iraqis 3 million Iraqis living as Exiles

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across the world the lucky ones here The

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Unlucky ones begging on the streets of

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Jordan and

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Syria

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Isis the head chopping heart eating

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throat cutting

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Maniacs are governing

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onethird of

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Iraq and a good part of

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Syria and people like them as far away

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as

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Nigeria are declaring themselves a part

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of this so-called Islamic

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caliphate so far did extremism Cascade

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as a result of the bushan Blair War

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that four or five Mad Men blew

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themselves up on the London Underground

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and on a London bus killing 55 of our

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fellow citizens maming hundreds

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more and just in the last few days just

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across there in France we saw yet

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another

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twist to where this fanaticism and

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extremism has spread and all of it

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coming out of a swamp of hatred against

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us because of bush and Blair and people

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like them and their attitude too and the

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actions that they take against Muslims

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against Muslim

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countries so we're Against Racism we're

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against

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war and we're against an economic system

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that punishes the poor and punishes the

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worker

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for the crimes and

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misdemeanors of those who scarcely know

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what a real day's work is really like

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who think that pushing numbers around on

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a computer screen constitutes work

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constitutes wealth we think it

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constitutes

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neither one last thing before I turn to

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the

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local one of the crisis that we suffer

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is a complete collapse in credibility of

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our political

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leaders we're in a big mess in this

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country we've been in a big mess

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before in 1940 41 we couldn't have been

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in a bigger

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mess we stood entirely alone Hitler was

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at the channel ports ready to invade and

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occupy

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us all of Europe had been

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subjugated neither the Soviet Union nor

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the United States were in the war

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that's what you call a mess that's what

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you call a problem the difference

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between then and now is we had a

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leadership then that knew what to

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do and that was ready and able to do it

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do we have that now I don't see it I

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look across the green benches in the

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House of Commons I sometimes see a

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shiver running along looking for a spine

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to run up

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I look at

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the the

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mannequins these

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dummies with their speak your weight

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machine

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dialogue pretending to hate each

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other scrapping out on the floor of

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prime minister's questions but you

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couldn't slip six pence between

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them as I

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trademarked their two cheeks of the same

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ARS

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and if a cheek if if an AR could have

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three

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cheeks it would be the three leaders the

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three front benches they all stand for

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one or other variant of the same

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thing and they're all playing

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games with the race question for fear of

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farage and ukip all accepting his agenda

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all moving in his

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Direction and that's very

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dangerous because if the prevailing

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Orthodoxy is as homogenic as they are

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standing for the same things and those

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same

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things not only will not solve our

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problems but are in fact the reason for

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our problems you risk the complete

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collapse of faith and trust in politics

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at all and that's I think where we are

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if you look at the ratings of David

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Cameron Nick C which are almost off the

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radar and Ed millerand you'll see that

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hardly anybody in the country has a good

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word to say about any of them and the

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reason that faraj is doing so well is

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because he's not them because he doesn't

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look like them sound like them

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although in fact he's even worse than

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them that's the Dilemma that we're in so

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enter

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us we are the ghost of Labor's past we

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stand for the things that labor used to

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stand

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for we stand for the people that labor

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used to represent but has now neglected

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or at worst abandoned

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and we're standing here in this

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constituency at the general election in

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may we think that this place and others

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need

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respect they need the kind of politics

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that we stand for and we're going to

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offer it and if you want to join in you

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should make sure that we know how to

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contact you at the end of this meeting

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tonight you can join respect very very

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cheaply Richard what what does it

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cost £12 a year a pound a month you can

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join it very very cheaply but you don't

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even have to join it if you don't want

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to join it don't join it just join the

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campaign here where we have an

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outstanding local candidate now as I

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don't know if she's still in the room

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but the labor candidate for this

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constituent say was here earlier I think

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she's a little anxious that we are

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standing

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well we've always been ready to

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negotiate Ed mban knows where to find me

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if he would like to negotiate an

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electoral

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pact we'll talk about

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that but you

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can't ask us not to

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stand when you have

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betrayed the ideas that we stand for why

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should we support you

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why shouldn't we argue for the ideas

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that we believe in if you don't want to

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negotiate with us I say to the labor

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candidate start negotiating with the

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people who might vote for us

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negotiate by moving in the direction

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that we point and if you don't don't

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blame them if they don't vote for you

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and choose to vote for us

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instead now David lofts

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is a local man with a phenomenal record

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of work in the community in the fields

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of mental health I don't know if you're

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aware that the mental health statistics

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for Hastings are double the national

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average imagine there are twice as many

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people 100% more people with mental

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health issues in Hastings than in the

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country as a whole he'll tell you why

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when he comes to the

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microphone David specializes in that

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field Works in that field and demands

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proper service proper treatment proper

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care for people with mental health

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problems he's a wizard on the computers

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he builds websites runs them he's

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campaigning for the living wage never

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mind a national minimum wage a national

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living wage cuz nobody can live on

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what they call the national minimum wage

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he's involved in all kinds of community

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activities as well as being a musician

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uh and involved for a long time uh in

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the music business and he is steeped in

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the

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traditions and the life here of the

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people in Hastings I think he's a very

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credible and and an important addition

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to our list of candidates and he's going

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to be coming up uh after you've had the

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chance to ask me uh any questions thanks

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very much indeed for coming thanks for

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listening thank

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you well the bar is now absolutely full

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I'm very glad to see uh let me take some

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questions yes Madam how can we put

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Palestine on the political

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agenda how can we put Palestine on the

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political agenda well it's well and

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truly on the political agenda uh when I

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began uh my own contribution uh to the

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Palestinian cause in

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1975 you could have fitted all the

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supporters of the PLO into this bar and

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had room for a couple of elephants at

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the

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back now we are millions I mean there

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are there are millions and millions of

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people in this country

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that would identify in any survey their

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sympathies with the Palestinian people

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and there are many more Millions indeed

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the overwhelming majority all except a

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tiny Fringe handful of

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Nutters who uh are certain that the

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Palestinian crisis is the heart of the

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matter it's the heart of our problem in

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the world and that if there is no

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resolution with Justice for the

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Palestinians there will be no peace

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there will be no justice there will be

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no peace in the Middle East and

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therefore in The Wider World almost

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everybody agrees with that now trust me

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it wasn't like that in

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1975 so almost everybody now knows that

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a solution has to be found to the

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Palestinian people that provides at

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least sufficient

557
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:26,519
Justice that this conflict can be

558
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,919
brought to a close and the vote in the

559
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:31,600
House of Commons in recognition of a

560
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:34,200
Palestinian state was overwhelming I

561
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,480
think only 18 supporters of Israel

562
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,679
turned up to vote against it in the

563
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Irish Parliament nobody voted against it

564
00:28:40,679 --> 00:28:45,840
can you imagine in the Irish Parliament

565
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,080
it was a unanimous decision in the

566
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,080
French Parliament the Swedish Parliament

567
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,600
indeed the Swedish government has

568
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:56,080
already uh recognized an independent

569
00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:00,080
Palestinian State this is an idea whose

570
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:03,039
time has come it's anide idea which is

571
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:07,000
hegemonic in the world dominant in the

572
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:08,760
world so when people say to you as some

573
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000
might I don't know if any of them came

574
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,200
but they were threatening to come the

575
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:18,600
so-called Sussex friends of so-called

576
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Israel uh when they come when they shout

577
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:25,640
or Heckle remember that they are the

578
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:28,600
ones who are a tiny minority they are

579
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:32,720
the people who've lost profoundly lost

580
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:37,360
the argument and are uh dogs barking as

581
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:40,679
the Caravan moves on the truth is all of

582
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,120
the momentum is with us who have

583
00:29:40,679 --> 00:29:45,399
supported the Palestinian cause as I see

584
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,919
you're wearing the CIA which has become

585
00:29:45,399 --> 00:29:52,880
a universal symbol of the struggle for

586
00:29:48,919 --> 00:29:54,519
Liberty uh for Freedom uh in the world

587
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,559
uh there are there's nobody walking

588
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:58,880
around waving Israeli Flags except a

589
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,600
tiny

590
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Fringe group of

591
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Nutters next

592
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,640
question

593
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:14,919
got

594
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,919
Ecom environmental we got

595
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:28,320
imigra well it's a good question um I

596
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:31,000
think we're in real trouble I think

597
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,120
there's real trouble in the country and

598
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,720
there's real

599
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:38,240
trouble in the continent and there's

600
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,840
real trouble in the world the

601
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,320
dominant

602
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:47,039
capitalist narrative has broken down

603
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:49,519
it's quite clear that the political and

604
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:53,240
economic system that everybody in here

605
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:55,880
has lived under all of their lives is no

606
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,279
longer if ever was but no longer

607
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:02,360
certainly able to solve the problems of

608
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,639
the people and the economy is supposed

609
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,159
to work for the people not the other way

610
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:08,960
around we're supposed to devise

611
00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:12,519
political and economic systems that

612
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:15,279
serve us not the other way around and

613
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:19,039
clearly the prevailing

614
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:20,360
Orthodoxy of what they call democracy

615
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,559
which is really a

616
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,720
shamra where two cheeks of the same ARS

617
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:28,080
if you'll forgive the metaphor clap

618
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:32,080
against each other as if it was was

619
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:35,600
meaningful when it is not and who stand

620
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,519
for essentially the same things and a

621
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,919
capitalist economy where the capitalists

622
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:45,399
can only exist if the public bails them

623
00:31:40,919 --> 00:31:47,039
out imagine what we have is private

624
00:31:45,399 --> 00:31:51,679
profit

625
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:52,600
underwritten by public taxpayers money

626
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:55,519
these

627
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,559
Banks if they really were capitalist

628
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,240
Enterprises would have gone to the wall

629
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:03,000
would have gone burst because of their

630
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,399
recklessness their dishonesty but

631
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,279
instead you were forced to build them

632
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:11,799
out thousands of pounds per head I don't

633
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:15,080
know if you're all aware of that all of

634
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:16,240
you have paid thousands of pounds each

635
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,760
to

636
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,799
rescue private

637
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Banks there's nothing actually

638
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:28,360
capitalist about that Adam Smith would

639
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,919
turn in his grave so we we have a

640
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,840
private enterprise system that depends

641
00:32:30,919 --> 00:32:35,960
on public

642
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,960
subsidy and depends on the public

643
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,880
considering them too big to fail too big

644
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,559
to

645
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:47,440
jail and that cannot persist we're

646
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:51,000
headed for a crunch and the problem the

647
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,679
danger is when the crunch comes will

648
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,240
people blame the right culprits or will

649
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:58,320
they blame the wrong

650
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,480
ones this is where my argu arguments

651
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,760
about farage and about

652
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:08,039
nationalism and racism and so on come in

653
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,320
because there will be plenty of Sun

654
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:14,399
headlines plenty of headlines in the

655
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Daily Express if that's still coming out

656
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:21,919
uh seeking to point the finger at the

657
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:26,320
wrong culprits uh in order to deflect

658
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:28,480
attention from the right culprit so we

659
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,559
don't have unlimited time

660
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,600
I don't have unlimited time not none of

661
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,679
us have unlimited time but our

662
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:42,519
children and I have many by the grace of

663
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:43,600
God are facing a future the first time

664
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,840
in

665
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,000
centuries where my children your

666
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,200
children are likely to be less well off

667
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,760
than I was than you

668
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,399
were in all succeeding generation

669
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,360
preceding Generations rather one's

670
00:33:56,399 --> 00:34:01,440
children had a better life than the

671
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,039
parents they lived longer they had

672
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,760
better houses better jobs better wages

673
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:11,839
better standard of living this is the

674
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:14,599
first generation whose children face a

675
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:18,240
future poorer

676
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:21,520
shorter and less satisfying in every way

677
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:24,760
than the generation of their parents and

678
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,200
that's a dangerous set of circumstances

679
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,520
I give you just one

680
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:32,599
example I never went went to University

681
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:36,599
I left school at uh 15 I went to work in

682
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:39,639
a factory Mitchell and tires I've worked

683
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:43,079
my entire life I've never been idle for

684
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:44,919
a single day I've paid tax how many

685
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:48,639
hundreds of thousands of pounds of tax

686
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:50,520
have I paid and I paid it so that people

687
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,679
like Tony Blair could go to Oxford

688
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,560
University entirely free of

689
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:59,240
charge and get a grant to enjoy it with

690
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,760
I was slogging on the assembly line

691
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:05,680
making ZX radials paying tax to send

692
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,720
Blair to

693
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Oxford and the first thing that he did

694
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:15,160
when he got into power was kick away the

695
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,880
ladder so the our children can't go to

696
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:21,200
Oxford or to any University for that

697
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:24,040
matter without running up a debt of tens

698
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,160
of thousands scores of thousands of

699
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:30,400
pounds there's one concrete example

700
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,800
where to today children are worse off

701
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,280
than the children of the people still in

702
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,320
power in politics today and there are

703
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,800
many many other examples I could

704
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,400
give anyone over here yes the lady

705
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,560
there I applaud everything you've said

706
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,599
so far uh I'm very interested to know

707
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:53,119
what you have to say about the Blind Eye

708
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:55,760
that the other Pol that the other

709
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,720
parties have have made or just Li

710
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,800
service to

711
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,640
um global warming and other

712
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,680
environmental problems which of course

713
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,640
will hit the poorest people most and

714
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:12,400
hardest indeed it's not that they uh uh

715
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,160
won't admit it some of them actively

716
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,880
consciously deny it including our

717
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Minister for the

718
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:23,599
environment the person in charge of

719
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:26,359
Britain's environment doesn't believe in

720
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:31,119
man-made uh global warming doesn't

721
00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:35,119
believe in in the environmental

722
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:39,920
depredation uh of the economic system

723
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:43,359
that we have look it's kind of

724
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,040
obvious capitalism is

725
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:50,200
about the employer or the

726
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,359
owner taking decisions in the interests

727
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,440
of themselves and their

728
00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:57,160
shareholders that's in fact they have a

729
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,359
legal responsibility to do that they

730
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,839
have no real legal responsibility to

731
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:06,119
take your interests into account their

732
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:08,560
primary fiduciary legal requirement on

733
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:11,400
them is that they so conduct the

734
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,079
business as to maximize the profit for

735
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,079
their own shareholders you can't blame

736
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:17,720
them for it that's the rules of the

737
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:21,520
game

738
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:24,000
but if someone's taking private economic

739
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,200
decisions in their own

740
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,680
interest there is absolutely no

741
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,000
guarantee that the decisions that that

742
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,480
they're making are in the Public's

743
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,599
interest and indeed for the most part

744
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,079
they're not I always give the metaphor

745
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:41,000
forgive me if you read it from me

746
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:43,760
before the man who decides to move his

747
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,440
large yacht by

748
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:51,760
Road taking up two lanes of the motorway

749
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,560
has made an entirely rational decision

750
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,480
in his own economic

751
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,960
interest but the 50 mile traffic jam

752
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,040
behind him

753
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:04,280
because the motorway has been reduced to

754
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:07,760
one lane they have a different set of

755
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:12,599
consequences the public the environment

756
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,319
the the economy the uh interests of all

757
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,599
those other motorists and families in

758
00:38:14,319 --> 00:38:19,240
the car stuck behind them they have an

759
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,359
entirely different take on this

760
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,839
different

761
00:38:20,359 --> 00:38:27,680
perspective so any rational state would

762
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:30,319
say to the owner of the large yacht I'm

763
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,520
sorry you can't move that on the road

764
00:38:30,319 --> 00:38:35,599
you'll have to find another way of

765
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:38,280
transporting it down to Hastings or

766
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:41,040
wherever it is you're going with it

767
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,200
because you will do do more damage to

768
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,680
the public interest than can be

769
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:52,640
justified by your own private gain your

770
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:56,240
own private interest and if you expand

771
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,440
the idea I've just given you to the

772
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:02,520
National economy as a

773
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:05,319
whole why would a private company

774
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,800
private owners private shareholders care

775
00:39:05,319 --> 00:39:10,160
about despoiling the

776
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,680
environment they're only in for the

777
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,200
short term and the

778
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:18,160
buck they don't care what your children

779
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,640
or their children will have to suffer in

780
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:24,200
the future from the degraded

781
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,440
environment that contemporary capitalism

782
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,119
has produced indeed they're not allowed

783
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,280
to care about it

784
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:34,760
it's their duty to make as much money as

785
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:37,400
possible no so that's why I say that the

786
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:41,000
prevailing economic system that we have

787
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,359
is not fit for purpose if its purpose is

788
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,960
to serve the needs of the 65 million

789
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:50,280
people who live on this small island and

790
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,440
we need profound radical change and

791
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,640
we're not going to get it from any of

792
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,640
the mainstream

793
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,760
parties yes sir

794
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,400
first of all let let me commend you for

795
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:07,000
your support for the Palestinian people

796
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,000
which I think is a wonderful

797
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,920
thingk secondly the question that in my

798
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,920
mind regard to

799
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,800
n he

800
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,720
has forward a question with regard to

801
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:27,599
centralization of power in in Europe and

802
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,280
it concerns

803
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:33,079
Europe seems to be getting

804
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,720
power we can't

805
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:39,079
check there seems to be no Democratic

806
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,920
way of checking their power and this is

807
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:44,160
a

808
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,160
worry because I don't want

809
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:53,280
to on the other I'm worried about I'm

810
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,040
worried taking away

811
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Bas

812
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:02,640
indivual well thank you uh for the kind

813
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:06,160
uh remarks that you made uh on

814
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:09,079
Palestine uh and it makes it harder for

815
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,280
me to profoundly disagree with what I

816
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:14,400
think is your perspective on Europe

817
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,800
although of course there's much to

818
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,480
criticize about

819
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,079
Europe

820
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Europe is the best place in the world to

821
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,359
live it has the best standard of living

822
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,160
the highest

823
00:41:28,359 --> 00:41:35,400
levels of

824
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:38,200
care and the greatest levels of social

825
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:43,119
peace anywhere in the

826
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:44,440
world I alluded earlier to 1940 and 41

827
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:48,480
by

828
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:51,960
1945 more than 90 million Europeans lay

829
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:56,160
dead they tore each other to pieces in

830
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:58,079
two world wars in just a few decades uh

831
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,359
apart

832
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,960
the European Union has provided not only

833
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:07,800
an absence of War on the European

834
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:10,119
continent since its foundation war

835
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,000
between European countries is now

836
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:15,480
absolutely

837
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,839
inconceivable and that's a pretty big

838
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,240
advance and it's one that younger people

839
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:23,839
might not grasp quite so easily as those

840
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:27,400
of us born quite so close to the second

841
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:29,160
world War's end or in some cases I don't

842
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,920
can't really see the audience maybe

843
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:36,440
there are people here who lived uh in

844
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:39,319
the second world war so anything which

845
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:44,960
seeks to destroy as farage

846
00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:49,760
does the idea of a United Europe is my

847
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:53,000
enemy because I know I think I know what

848
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,319
the consequence would be of a Europe

849
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,200
catapulted backwards into National

850
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:01,280
antagonism

851
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,720
that may very well resolve themselves

852
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,960
with war in the way that they did twice

853
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:10,640
in the 20th century I'm with you

854
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:14,160
entirely on the question of democratic

855
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:16,440
accountability and control but I think

856
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,559
if I may say so that you're viewing the

857
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,160
levels of democratic accountability and

858
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:23,559
control that we have here in Britain

859
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:27,119
through rose-colored

860
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:29,440
spectacles we have no more control over

861
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:32,040
over our lives through

862
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,400
Westminster than the European Union

863
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,559
citizenry including ourselves does

864
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,920
through the European

865
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:42,720
institutions I don't boast about that

866
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,960
because the the level of real Democratic

867
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,559
accountability that we have in either

868
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,040
case is almost

869
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:52,359
zero and it's a false another of these

870
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,280
false dichotomies to set up one against

871
00:43:52,359 --> 00:43:59,280
the other the lack of democracy in the

872
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:02,000
European Union compared to uh a

873
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,800
perceived level of democracy in Britain

874
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,839
we have almost no democracy in Britain

875
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,920
we don't take the major financial and

876
00:44:06,839 --> 00:44:14,359
economic decisions ourselves and the

877
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:18,280
few completely dominate the political

878
00:44:14,359 --> 00:44:20,240
system to the disbenefit of the many

879
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,520
that's true on the British level and

880
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,319
it's true on the European level so

881
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,119
whatever problems exist in Europe will

882
00:44:25,319 --> 00:44:29,880
not only not be solved by Britain

883
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:33,000
leaving Europe but would be made much

884
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,480
worse if Britain were to leave Europe

885
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,319
here's what we really need let me be

886
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:41,520
bold and honest with you no point in

887
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:44,319
pretending that I think otherwise we

888
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:47,000
need a United States of

889
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:50,760
Europe just like there's a United States

890
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,079
of America like there should be a United

891
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,520
States of the Arab countries like there

892
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:59,079
should be a United States of the African

893
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,839
countries like Chavez struggled for in

894
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:04,680
South America a United States of Latin

895
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:07,760
America that's the direction of travel

896
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:12,040
that we should be going on why because

897
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,920
only big powerful populous collections

898
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,599
of Public Power popular power can

899
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,000
possibly challenge the power of

900
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,800
multinational capitalism and the

901
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:27,559
domination of the globe by the United

902
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,480
States model uh that uh we have suffered

903
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:33,680
from now that doesn't mean Britain

904
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,800
ceases to be British whatever that means

905
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,400
every one of us here uh I think is

906
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,359
British uh except my M she's not and

907
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,920
refuses to be uh but uh most of us here

908
00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:48,960
are British but we're all different from

909
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:51,160
each other and moreover we're really not

910
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,599
that much different from the people is

911
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,200
France over there by the way have I got

912
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,079
the the geography right that

913
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,920
way the people over there

914
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:03,280
not much different at

915
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:06,680
all we are men and women boys and girls

916
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,319
young and old gay and straight black and

917
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,319
white

918
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:15,040
workers who have nothing to sell except

919
00:46:11,319 --> 00:46:17,400
our labor if we don't get paid for it or

920
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,720
we're out of work we've got no money

921
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,119
we're all the

922
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:24,480
same these National

923
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:27,040
differences are fake and moreover

924
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,880
they're really modern

925
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,839
Germany didn't even

926
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:35,160
exist until

927
00:46:30,839 --> 00:46:36,680
1870 Italy didn't exist so that means I

928
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,240
was explaining it to one of my kids the

929
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,440
other day my

930
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:47,040
grandmother knew

931
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:48,040
people who lived before Germany existed

932
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,599
think about

933
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:55,839
it before Italy existed States come and

934
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:58,760
go but they're entirely fake they don't

935
00:46:55,839 --> 00:47:02,760
actually mean anything thing I argued

936
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:07,079
this so often in the Scottish case Brian

937
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:10,800
Sutter the homophobic Bible belting

938
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:14,559
bigot who runs Stage Coach the bus

939
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,640
company a union busting uh uh um Stage

940
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:18,720
Coach a union busting private

941
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Corporation who gave Millions to the

942
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,720
Scottish nationalist party for their

943
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,440
referendum gave Millions to a campaign

944
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,400
to Wich hunt gay people

945
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:33,720
so he's Scottish so

946
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,599
what I despise him even if he was born

947
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:40,680
in the next street to me he has nothing

948
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:43,200
to do with me it's a fake idea that you

949
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,640
have some identity with somebody because

950
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,880
they were born on the same piece of rock

951
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,480
as you which was in any case a matter

952
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,280
merely of

953
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,359
chance our identity is something deeper

954
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:00,400
than that and is profoundly affected by

955
00:47:56,359 --> 00:48:03,280
our relationship to wealth and power if

956
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,800
we're a bus driver in France or a bus

957
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,359
driver in England or a bus driver in

958
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Scotland we're probably all working for

959
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:13,599
Brian Sutter and Stage Coach and the

960
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,040
interests of the bus drivers are far

961
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:19,599
more in common with each

962
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,400
other than any of them could be with

963
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:25,040
Brian Sutter because he has the same

964
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,680
color of passport as them so I appeal to

965
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,359
you to think big on this

966
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:33,160
what we need is not a weaker European

967
00:48:30,359 --> 00:48:35,599
Union but a stronger European Union

968
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,839
democratically accountable you're right

969
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:41,760
about that we've got a European

970
00:48:38,839 --> 00:48:45,480
Parliament which is filled with

971
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Stooges could anybody name them anybody

972
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,240
name me five three can you name me three

973
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,480
members of the European Parliament I

974
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:58,079
could not and I'm a

975
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:01,559
professional I could not nobody ever

976
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:03,160
hears of them hears from them holds them

977
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:05,680
to account in any

978
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:09,319
way and the reason for that is that the

979
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,280
European Parliament has no real power it

980
00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:15,200
cannot control the actions of the

981
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,799
European commission still less the

982
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:22,000
actions of the European Central Bank or

983
00:49:18,799 --> 00:49:25,720
the big multinational corporations that

984
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:29,319
dominate the uh European

985
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:32,720
economy Europe is a great place with a

986
00:49:29,319 --> 00:49:37,200
really heavy cultural and historical

987
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:39,720
weight it's a huge Market with a huge

988
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:43,400
population it's of real

989
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:48,000
importance and it should have the

990
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:51,040
political weight in the world that its

991
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,960
economic and cultural weight uh would

992
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:57,760
suggest instead it's a mere rubber stamp

993
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,480
for the United States of America

994
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,960
George Bush Barack

995
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,480
Obama they tell the European Union what

996
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,839
to do classic example is what's

997
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:12,720
happening over Russia now over the

998
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:15,280
Ukraine where we are imposing sanctions

999
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,720
on Russia which are damaging our own

1000
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,079
economy especially the German the German

1001
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,839
economy is being ruined has just moved

1002
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:25,640
into negative

1003
00:50:22,839 --> 00:50:27,599
territory because of its sanctions that

1004
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,359
it's imposing against Russia which it

1005
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:33,880
doesn't want to impose but which the

1006
00:50:30,359 --> 00:50:35,960
United States is forcing them to impose

1007
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,440
if we had a powerful Europe we would

1008
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,839
tell the United States to sling their

1009
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,880
hook and look after their own problems

1010
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:46,200
instead of

1011
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,480
interfering here in Europe and forcing

1012
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:51,880
us to take actions which we don't want

1013
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,839
to and which are damaging uh to

1014
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,799
ourselves anybody down here thank you

1015
00:50:54,839 --> 00:51:00,839
okay welcome thank you gentleman over

1016
00:50:56,799 --> 00:51:03,160
the glasses we're in the union bar and

1017
00:51:00,839 --> 00:51:08,200
quite a few people would be very happy

1018
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,200
this became a trade Union Center for for

1019
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,839
Hastings so we'd like to know uh what

1020
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,760
about the relationships between respect

1021
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:17,680
party and Trade union movement well we

1022
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,520
come out of the Trade union movement I

1023
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,520
joined the transport and general Workers

1024
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,079
Union on Christmas Eve of

1025
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:27,680
1973 when I went to work in Mitchel and

1026
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:30,920
tires uh the weren't many Union Officers

1027
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:34,119
open on Christmas Eve uh but mine was

1028
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,960
and I remain a member in good standing I

1029
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:40,079
have been an honorary member of the

1030
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:43,559
national Union of Mine Workers uh since

1031
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:47,280
1982 uh and it's one of my proudest

1032
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:49,640
possessions uh we come from the labor

1033
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,720
Movement we believe that the cause of

1034
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:55,359
Labor small L is the hope of the world

1035
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,119
we believe what Rosa Luxembourg said

1036
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:59,119
more than a century ago

1037
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,280
that Socialism or barbarism is the

1038
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:04,559
choice facing the world and we believe

1039
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:08,920
that that's even more starkly the case

1040
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:11,200
now than it was when she uh said it

1041
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,640
having said which unions are not the

1042
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,880
same as they were I was giving a talk a

1043
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:19,720
day or two ago in East London and one of

1044
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,640
the women in the audience told me later

1045
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:25,319
pardon me told me later that her father

1046
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,280
was Bernie steer one of the Pentonville

1047
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:30,400
5 uh

1048
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,680
transport uh Union activists from the

1049
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:35,400
docks the London docks that were jailed

1050
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:40,640
by the heath government which caused the

1051
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:42,760
upsurge in Trade union and political uh

1052
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,040
upheaval in the country which

1053
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:48,720
contributed massively to the heath

1054
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:51,440
government being overthrown uh in

1055
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,440
1974 Bernie is still alive by the way

1056
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:58,000
though he must be in his uh '90s uh by

1057
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:01,799
now in those days there were 12 or 13

1058
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,480
million Trade union members the TU had

1059
00:53:01,799 --> 00:53:06,359
one of the highest levels of Affiliated

1060
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,319
memberships of any of the working

1061
00:53:06,359 --> 00:53:13,359
classes of the developed world now it's

1062
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:16,680
half of that and the unions uh with some

1063
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:19,640
rare exceptions are not LED as they were

1064
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:23,160
LED in those days by people who were

1065
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:25,640
ready willing and able to confront the

1066
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:29,640
power of capital and the governments

1067
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,920
that capital employed against them uh

1068
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,760
but these things will change as they

1069
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,160
have changed so they will change uh in

1070
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:41,839
the future I just say this I'm

1071
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:44,559
interviewing uh Arthur scargle on my uh

1072
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:46,119
the program that my wife and I do on RT

1073
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:49,640
on Saturdays called Sputnik I'm

1074
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:53,400
interviewing scargle uh soon

1075
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,040
um scargle was right the miners were

1076
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,880
right and if the workforce in Britain

1077
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:02,280
had St Stood Beside the miners and

1078
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,640
achieved victory over Thatcher's uh

1079
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,040
attempted destruction which of course

1080
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,599
succeeded of not just the minor Union

1081
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,400
but mining communities and more

1082
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,440
importantly even than that the

1083
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:18,040
destruction of Trade union power in this

1084
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:20,240
country if when the miners made a stand

1085
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:23,119
if the other unions had made a stand

1086
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,319
with them thata would have been defeated

1087
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,200
and Britain would have been a very

1088
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:29,760
different place today

1089
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,760
what's

1090
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:42,440
withc well it's not my it's none of uh

1091
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,359
my business whether you pay the license

1092
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,160
fee or not all I can do is tell you that

1093
00:54:44,359 --> 00:54:51,240
I don't pay the license fee I refuse to

1094
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:54,960
pay the license fee and and I'm ready to

1095
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:56,760
I'm ready to I have a TV and I watch BBC

1096
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,040
and I refuse to pay the license so come

1097
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,359
and get

1098
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,559
me although they're showing a remarked

1099
00:55:00,359 --> 00:55:05,440
reluctance to come and get me uh because

1100
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,960
they know that when I get into court

1101
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,359
I'll have plenty to say about the

1102
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,119
reasons why I refuse to pay my license

1103
00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:18,440
fee the BBC is a National Disgrace it is

1104
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:21,319
a state Lackey which does the bidding of

1105
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,720
the political class that provide the

1106
00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:27,920
very very handsome salaries and other

1107
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:29,680
emoluments that they enjoy and don't

1108
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,799
even get me started on the kind of

1109
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,319
people that they employ I had lunch

1110
00:55:32,799 --> 00:55:40,119
yesterday with Andrew Neil of uh of BBC

1111
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:41,720
Politics on a personal level I I I have

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00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,119
a good relationship with him but I left

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00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:46,079
him in no doubt as I'm leaving you in no

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00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:48,839
doubt that I will not pay the license

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00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:51,680
fee even if they take me to prison uh as

1116
00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:55,200
a result because they're lying

1117
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:58,160
distorting ignoring all of the important

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00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,440
things that are people need to know and

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00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,599
it's bad enough when that's done by Sky

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00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,799
News because at least ruper Muk is a

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00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:09,160
private individual it's up to me whether

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00:56:05,799 --> 00:56:11,480
I uh pay for his package or

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00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,240
not but it's not up to me whether I pay

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00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,200
for the BBC or not I'm committing a

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00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:19,440
criminal offense if I don't pay for the

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00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:21,119
BBC and yet I have no say whatsoever in

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00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,240
what goes on in the BBC I can't even get

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00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:27,440
on it I'm on question time on the 5th of

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00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:29,359
February uh so look out for that

1130
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,720
fireworks but that's because question

1131
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:34,599
time is not made by the BBC it's only

1132
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:38,960
shown on the BBC it's made by David

1133
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:41,079
dimbleby and he likes me uh but in the

1134
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,160
course of this last week for

1135
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:46,400
example as the world or Europe at least

1136
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,880
was turned upside down with the events

1137
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:52,960
in France and the backlash against them

1138
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:57,000
you'd have thought wouldn't you that

1139
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,760
maybe one single local BBC Radio

1140
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,880
would have called me up for a

1141
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,400
comment you would have thought maybe

1142
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,240
that very late at night or very early in

1143
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,280
the morning the BBC TV might have been

1144
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:13,559
interested in what I had to say about

1145
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:16,920
the subject but call came there

1146
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:19,640
none and the reason is there as much of

1147
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:24,079
a state broadcaster as any of the other

1148
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:28,480
state broadcasters that they like to

1149
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:30,119
malign I think everybody who can do so

1150
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:35,119
should watch

1151
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:38,839
RT RT's news is like watching a parallel

1152
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:40,160
universe if you watch the British or

1153
00:57:38,839 --> 00:57:44,559
even worse the

1154
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:47,920
American News Fox News try it watch Fox

1155
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:51,240
News for 20 minutes and then cross I

1156
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:54,640
know it's asking too much then cross to

1157
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,079
RT for 20 minutes you'll think you've

1158
00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:00,960
been visiting two different

1159
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:03,599
planets but I know which planet is more

1160
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,319
close to the truth and the reality and

1161
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:11,119
that's RT and I commend

1162
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:15,359
it thank you any U yes gentlemen right

1163
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:15,359
at the very back yes very tall

1164
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,480
well well said well said uh I couldn't

1165
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:02,079
put that I couldn't put that better

1166
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,200
myself I don't know if this interview

1167
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,160
has appeared yet but someone from

1168
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,359
BuzzFeed which is a news thing on the

1169
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:12,760
internet uh interviewed me the other day

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00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:15,200
and they said to me um how come njel

1171
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:19,640
farage is very much more successful than

1172
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:24,799
you I said well it's quite easy to sell

1173
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:28,319
Prejudice bigotry xenophobia chauvinism

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00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:30,960
racism to the simple-minded or the

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00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:33,160
undereducated or the

1176
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,319
unconscious it's much more difficult to

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00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,200
sell what I'm trying to sell which is a

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00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:41,880
profound and revolutionary change in the

1179
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:44,640
interest of the mass of the people and

1180
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:47,599
against the domination of Our Lives by

1181
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,799
the few that's a much bigger ask but

1182
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:52,480
look at this place tonight and I'm

1183
00:59:49,799 --> 00:59:54,880
speaking every day and every night and

1184
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,280
my meetings are always like this so

1185
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,200
there's a big audience for for and on

1186
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,480
social media I've got more or less a

1187
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,240
million

1188
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,880
followers and if I say something as I

1189
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,119
will know uh after this about this

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01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:12,839
meeting the best part of a million

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01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,960
people will instantly receive it whereas

1192
01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:18,280
if I wrote a column in The Independent

1193
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:21,880
Newspaper 40,000 people uh would read it

1194
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:25,160
so we do have some assets and we are

1195
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,520
getting somewhere we are on the March

1196
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,799
and I think we are going forward one

1197
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:33,440
thing's for sure the others are going uh

1198
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:35,200
backward the reason why they don't say

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01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,960
the things I'm saying is that they're

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:40,960
scared to do so you see what I'm saying

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01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,480
to you I'd be saying if this hole was

1202
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:48,440
almost empty and I'd be saying if if it

1203
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,440
was 10 times more fool I don't say one

1204
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,880
thing one night and a different thing

1205
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,000
another night one thing to one group of

1206
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,319
people and a different thing to another

1207
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,480
group of people I'm telling the truth as

1208
01:00:57,319 --> 01:01:04,799
I see it and I'm advancing the

1209
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:07,319
propositions that I think need to be

1210
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:08,839
taken whether you like or not if I was

1211
01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:11,760
the last man

1212
01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:15,240
standing for Palestine for example I'd

1213
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,920
still be saying it even if nobody agreed

1214
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,680
with me and my view is that the public

1215
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:25,000
want that that's actually the reason why

1216
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:27,240
farage is popular because people think

1217
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,240
whether you agree with them or not he's

1218
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:34,039
actually saying what he really

1219
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,799
believes and they know in their hearts

1220
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:40,000
that

1221
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:41,960
Cameron and Miland and CLE are not

1222
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,839
they're not believable they're not

1223
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,960
trustworthy nobody would buy a

1224
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:50,160
secondhand car off

1225
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,359
them you you really wouldn't would you

1226
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,880
some of I

1227
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:56,880
mean Ed mban you wouldn't send them out

1228
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,599
to buy a loaf

1229
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,039
would you you certainly wouldn't know

1230
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:03,559
what price it was you wouldn't know

1231
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:06,960
which way to hold it which way was up

1232
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:08,559
which way was down these people have

1233
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,000
nothing to do with the real lives of

1234
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,839
ordinary people and Ordinary People know

1235
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:17,000
it and that's why they're so turned off

1236
01:02:14,839 --> 01:02:18,599
by them now in many constituencies

1237
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:22,119
there'll not really be a

1238
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:25,319
choice uh people will have to vote for

1239
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:26,960
one or the other but if I choose the

1240
01:02:25,319 --> 01:02:30,160
oldest person in this room I'm not going

1241
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:34,000
to identify them might even be

1242
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,480
me the first election general election

1243
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,440
after I was

1244
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:42,200
born 98% of the people of Britain voted

1245
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:45,599
either labor or conservative

1246
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:48,520
98% only 2% in

1247
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:52,079
1955 voted for anybody

1248
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:56,359
else now labor and the conservatives

1249
01:02:52,079 --> 01:03:00,599
together will be lucky to get 50%

1250
01:02:56,359 --> 01:03:02,039
that's how far the mighty have fallen

1251
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:05,119
that's how

1252
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:08,599
incredible the mainstream political

1253
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,000
parties now are and I think the liberal

1254
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:11,920
Democrats are going to get completely

1255
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,200
wiped out I don't know if the liberal

1256
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,839
candidates here as well but if they are

1257
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,440
hard luck you've lost your deposit let

1258
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:20,279
me predict let me predict that the

1259
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,279
Liberals have lost every deposit in

1260
01:03:20,279 --> 01:03:23,960
every election since the last general

1261
01:03:22,279 --> 01:03:26,640
election and they're going to lose

1262
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,920
dozens scores Maybe of their

1263
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:33,279
parliamentary seats so the center is not

1264
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,640
holding if you define that as the center

1265
01:03:33,279 --> 01:03:38,400
the three cheeks of the same ARS it's

1266
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,599
not holding it's collapsing because

1267
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,319
people have seen through it that not

1268
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:47,640
only have they not the solutions they

1269
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:49,520
are the problem rather than the solution

1270
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,640
last question I think the big fell at

1271
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,640
the back

1272
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:06,400
yeah not at all I I'm calling for

1273
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:10,760
honesty

1274
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:13,559
RT openly and honestly declares that

1275
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:17,720
it's the broadcaster of the Russian

1276
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:20,559
government but the BBC does not the BBC

1277
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:23,640
pretends it's somehow

1278
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:26,839
impartial but you know as a news man

1279
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:29,799
there's nothing called impartial

1280
01:04:26,839 --> 01:04:31,079
everyone has a point of view I prefer

1281
01:04:29,799 --> 01:04:32,880
the Russian government's point of view

1282
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:36,319
to the British government's point of

1283
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,440
view don't you g well the Russian

1284
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:41,359
government's policy on gay rights is not

1285
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,000
one that I support I think I made clear

1286
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:46,599
in the course of what I've said this

1287
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,039
evening I'm not only a supporter of gay

1288
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:52,000
rights now I was when it was very far

1289
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:56,039
from fashionable to do so that's why one

1290
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:59,039
of my prize awards from Stonewall the

1291
01:04:56,039 --> 01:05:01,799
gay rights campaigning organization sits

1292
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:03,880
on my mantle piece you still call it

1293
01:05:01,799 --> 01:05:08,480
mantle pieces you call it that down here

1294
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:11,440
sits on my mtle piece but in the round

1295
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,440
in the round I prefer Putin to Cameron

1296
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,880
don't

1297
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,680
you I prefer the Russian government to

1298
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,279
the British government the Russian

1299
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,039
government's not flying around the world

1300
01:05:18,279 --> 01:05:22,520
bombing everyone invading everyone

1301
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:25,119
occupying everyone the Russian

1302
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,960
government is not pursuing the same

1303
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:30,240
policies of mass impoverishment of the

1304
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:34,200
working people that the British uh

1305
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:37,799
government is so in the round I prefer

1306
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:41,240
RT uh to the BBC I think they're telling

1307
01:05:37,799 --> 01:05:44,599
the truth whilst the BBC are lying

1308
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:48,559
there's nothing contradictory about that

1309
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:51,799
sorry I don't think so no I I I think

1310
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:55,000
the RT if you just give it a chance

1311
01:05:51,799 --> 01:05:59,720
watch it for an evening you'll be amazed

1312
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:04,319
at how much you agree with how much

1313
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:08,720
you concur with their view of the world

1314
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:08,720
try it I only I only invite you to do

1315
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,720
that

1316
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:25,839
R the truth well you you can you you can

1317
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:31,559
do that if you like indeed I think the

1318
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:31,559
one who suggested doing that uh but the

1319
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,960
the well

1320
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:40,000
here's here's

1321
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:43,279
my here's my here's my uh here's my

1322
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:46,720
overarching point that the days when the

1323
01:06:43,279 --> 01:06:49,200
Tories and the labor totally dominated

1324
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,160
British politics are over the days when

1325
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:56,240
the BBC and ITV totally dominated the

1326
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:59,480
news Market in Britain are over now

1327
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,799
all of us can find Our Truth and I agree

1328
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,200
it's a subjective matter all of us can

1329
01:07:01,799 --> 01:07:09,119
find Our Truth if we go looking for it

1330
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:11,440
we can try RT we can try Fox News we can

1331
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:16,799
follow me on Facebook and Twitter you

1332
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:19,400
can read um the uh leftwing Progressive

1333
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:22,559
Publications from around the world you

1334
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:25,200
can find news as it happens just by

1335
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:26,319
searching for it in other words we're no

1336
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,480
longer

1337
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:34,039
dominated by or need to be dominated by

1338
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:36,680
any broadcaster either RT or BBC but I'm

1339
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:39,960
clear and honest with you I prefer to

1340
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:43,920
get most of my news from RT their view

1341
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,920
of the world concour with

1342
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,880
mine yeah

1343
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,119
yeah

1344
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:16,880
no it was being censored by the

1345
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:20,799
advertising authorities and by ofcom uh

1346
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:24,239
which governs uh RT uh but it it's

1347
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:27,400
fearless and employs to answer some of

1348
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:30,440
the critics here it employs quite a

1349
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:34,279
pluralistic group of people it employs

1350
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:37,839
me but it also employs Larry King he's

1351
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:40,159
no leftist but he does ask interesting

1352
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:42,960
questions he is a good

1353
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:44,600
broadcaster and he's been at the top in

1354
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,719
international broadcasting for a very

1355
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:51,560
long time and now he works for RT Max

1356
01:08:47,719 --> 01:08:54,920
Kaiser is not a leftist he's not a

1357
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:56,279
socialist he just hates corrupt Bankers

1358
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,520
capitalism

1359
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,520
and he's on three times a

1360
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:04,960
week he's not gay no as far as I know

1361
01:09:02,839 --> 01:09:09,040
but what would that

1362
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:10,799
matter oh I see oh I see a biger pardon

1363
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,640
a bigger pardon no there's a lot of gays

1364
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:16,960
at RT but Max is not one of them we know

1365
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:19,080
very well in this town from the time of

1366
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,839
John

1367
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:27,480
aeration of mostly American companies

1368
01:09:22,839 --> 01:09:30,839
and that's why he declared war and they

1369
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:31,920
wouldn't or help with his indeed then

1370
01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:34,799
they denied

1371
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:37,600
thatan they they denied that he invented

1372
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:40,640
it but not least because he's a Scotsman

1373
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,319
I insist that he did and you as Hastings

1374
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:47,759
people no doubt do the same because he

1375
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:47,759
lived here yes sir

1376
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,319
yeah you're Iraqi for society

1377
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,960
first of all just thank you very much

1378
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,960
for your

1379
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:04,159
St just to ask

1380
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:15,239
question uh the gentleman is from the

1381
01:10:11,719 --> 01:10:17,679
Iraqi Community here and asks what's the

1382
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:20,880
realistic possibility of indicting Tony

1383
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:22,920
Blair our film The the killing of Tony

1384
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,960
Blair will be out very soon looks like

1385
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,360
it's going to be out before the chilot

1386
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,480
report

1387
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:32,880
uh which took its last piece of evidence

1388
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:36,000
more than four years ago and still has

1389
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:39,440
not reported one of the biggest scandals

1390
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:43,400
uh in contemporary British history uh

1391
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:46,280
and our film has three goals

1392
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,800
one is to achieve the sacking of Tony

1393
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,440
Blair as the Middle East peace peace

1394
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:52,800
andoy and I'm confident that we will

1395
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:55,480
achieve that I'm confident that Blair

1396
01:10:52,800 --> 01:11:01,080
will not be the Middle East p and of

1397
01:10:55,480 --> 01:11:04,880
much longer the second is to make him so

1398
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,600
toxic that no self-respecting government

1399
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,640
or Corporation would continue to employ

1400
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:14,560
him at multi-million pound fees because

1401
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:18,600
his name will be so darkened and the

1402
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:21,199
third goal of our film is to have Blair

1403
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,120
indicted for war crimes for crimes

1404
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:26,880
against humanity for misleading the

1405
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:31,280
British Parliament the queen and most

1406
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:34,640
importantly the British people including

1407
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,640
the and

1408
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:42,080
uh if chilcott does

1409
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:45,080
not and I suspect it may not but who

1410
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:49,840
knows what's in the report if chot does

1411
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:53,560
not recommend criminal action uh in the

1412
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:56,040
courts against Tony Blair then I if I'm

1413
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:59,560
in the next House of Commons

1414
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:03,400
uh will be a part of a group cross party

1415
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:06,239
group who will seek to impeach Blair at

1416
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,920
the bar of the house that's not a bar

1417
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:11,840
like this one it's a different kind of

1418
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:14,719
bar uh and that impeachment would give

1419
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:17,960
us the power to send him to prison

1420
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:20,800
ourselves what I can promise you is this

1421
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:23,320
as long as God gives me breath Tony

1422
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,159
Blair will never have a day's peace from

1423
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,159
me never

1424
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:40,040
okay now um it's not all about me we've

1425
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:42,920
got a local candidate of real quality

1426
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:45,960
and caliber he's not a bad musical

1427
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:48,159
performer too I give you the respect

1428
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:51,159
candidate for Hastings and Ry David

1429
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:51,159
lofts