1 00:00:01,060 --> 00:00:06,600 [Music] 2 00:00:04,310 --> 00:00:11,550 happy new year 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:15,870 I suppose thus speak the Reverend I am 4 00:00:11,550 --> 00:00:19,199 jolly in the famous only an excuse on 5 00:00:15,870 --> 00:00:23,850 Scottish television on harmony seeking 6 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:28,650 to convey the Presbyterian dismal hatred 7 00:00:23,850 --> 00:00:31,710 of enjoyment that's a bit like I felt at 8 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:34,680 New Year yes not least because I 9 00:00:31,710 --> 00:00:38,489 discovered that the hootenanny we were 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:41,690 watching with Jools Holland and all 11 00:00:38,489 --> 00:00:47,160 kinds of chanters and dancers and 12 00:00:41,690 --> 00:00:51,360 performers was pre-recorded so there are 13 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:55,050 there now you're born homey was entirely 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:59,070 fun and I learned that about 10 minutes 15 00:00:55,050 --> 00:01:01,320 to midnight so even if I was not of the 16 00:00:59,070 --> 00:01:04,860 Reverend I enjoyed his bent which I am 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:08,729 in fact as a lifelong non drinker new 18 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:11,700 year it's like a canyon of horror at 19 00:01:08,729 --> 00:01:14,670 least it was when I was forced to meet 20 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:17,189 other people around that time and as I 21 00:01:14,670 --> 00:01:19,619 sat there with my small family 22 00:01:17,189 --> 00:01:22,890 drinking tea watching Jools Holland and 23 00:01:19,619 --> 00:01:26,220 I then learned that it was entirely fake 24 00:01:22,890 --> 00:01:29,640 how that it's a scientist no no no no 25 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:32,159 you also are in a non drinking household 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,909 yes how did you bring in the new year 27 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:38,280 we've waited capitalist con it's an 28 00:01:35,909 --> 00:01:40,710 absolute rip of a height new year I used 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:44,310 to because I used to work as a hotel 30 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:46,560 manager my pasts of decade of 31 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:51,000 Christmases and new years up until sort 32 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:53,759 of 2030 yeah 2013 we're spent working so 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,920 I was always and always instigating 34 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:58,380 other people's enjoyments and fun but 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,110 I'm not a fan of New Year we we saw 36 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:02,880 flicked on the BBC watch the appalling 37 00:02:00,110 --> 00:02:05,610 3.2 million pounds of Greater London 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:10,289 Authority money go up in smoke right and 39 00:02:05,610 --> 00:02:12,370 smoke it went up in a yes a conspiracy 40 00:02:10,289 --> 00:02:14,080 of that my goodness as 41 00:02:12,370 --> 00:02:16,720 should have written an article yes yeah 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,299 so there's a new flag coming up um we 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,650 just watched that kind of an but I was 44 00:02:19,299 --> 00:02:22,299 we were talking about this affair and 45 00:02:20,650 --> 00:02:23,950 I'm gonna repeat it for our viewers and 46 00:02:22,299 --> 00:02:26,280 there's a very interesting background to 47 00:02:23,950 --> 00:02:28,480 New Year's in so much that happened till 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,140 1752 in this country and the new year 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,870 was celebrated on March 25th because 50 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:38,140 totally amazed and it's a story because 51 00:02:34,870 --> 00:02:40,780 the Pope whoever the whoever in the 52 00:02:38,140 --> 00:02:42,310 1500s introduced a Gregorian calendar 53 00:02:40,780 --> 00:02:44,349 across Europe obviously from the 54 00:02:42,310 --> 00:02:45,879 Catholic Church obviously we were not 55 00:02:44,349 --> 00:02:48,430 sons of the Catholic Church at the time 56 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:50,849 it was a Protestant country by then and 57 00:02:48,430 --> 00:02:54,280 we didn't implement this calendar until 58 00:02:50,849 --> 00:02:57,010 1752 so therefore we were running on an 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,900 old calendar which had New Year's march 60 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:01,299 to 25th because we changed the date to 61 00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:03,700 fit into the Christian the sort of the 62 00:03:01,299 --> 00:03:05,440 East period as it was then what was 63 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:08,650 interesting was that when they 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,620 introduced in 1750 to mass civil unrest 65 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:14,079 occurred because the old calendar was 66 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:15,970 based on the lunar cycle not the solar 67 00:03:14,079 --> 00:03:17,650 cycle therefore when they switched to 68 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:21,310 the Gregorian calendar which is the 69 00:03:17,650 --> 00:03:25,150 Solar solar cycle if you like there were 70 00:03:21,310 --> 00:03:27,940 11 more working days in the year ah very 71 00:03:25,150 --> 00:03:30,160 interesting so was it a were Industrial 72 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:32,169 Revolution sort of a move to get more 73 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,790 working days of the people is there was 74 00:03:32,169 --> 00:03:38,799 quite interesting even Jerome Robbins 75 00:03:33,790 --> 00:03:41,230 not offering 11 new Korbin if you're 76 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:43,090 watching then go change first pledge as 77 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:44,949 a foreign aid government to return a 78 00:03:43,090 --> 00:03:49,269 luna count return to the lunar calendar 79 00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:52,180 or lunacy as it might otherwise be known 80 00:03:49,269 --> 00:03:54,510 speaking of lunacy what did you make of 81 00:03:52,180 --> 00:03:57,430 the scenes outside the House of Commons 82 00:03:54,510 --> 00:04:01,329 yesterday I'm I'm quite ambivalent about 83 00:03:57,430 --> 00:04:04,120 them I've no doubt that I would despise 84 00:04:01,329 --> 00:04:06,010 the individuals doing the screaming and 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,379 shouting not at all 86 00:04:06,010 --> 00:04:13,480 I've equally no doubt that I despise 87 00:04:08,379 --> 00:04:17,709 Anna sue Bri and like or enjoins only a 88 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:20,590 little bit more at the same time as 89 00:04:17,709 --> 00:04:23,320 someone who was four and a half years 90 00:04:20,590 --> 00:04:24,380 ago now quite savagely assaulted and 91 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,120 before my 92 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:31,880 two core beliefs left in a hospital bed 93 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:35,120 I know what political violence feels 94 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,790 like and it's extremely painful no they 95 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,830 didn't come across any actual violence 96 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:44,780 although assault doesn't have to involve 97 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:49,600 an actual net blows but they were being 98 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:53,090 screamed at in a very ugly way and 99 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:56,240 therefore it's my view I'm not trying to 100 00:04:53,090 --> 00:05:00,920 be Saint Francis of Assisi here but 101 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:05,270 though I don't like Jones very much and 102 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:07,520 I actually hate Anna sue Bri I hate what 103 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:10,700 happened to them yesterday because I 104 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:14,330 know how close that is from an actual 105 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:16,520 full-blown attack yeah there are a 106 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:18,260 number of ironies though they're all 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,770 complaining about why there were no 108 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:24,110 police around to come to their aid in 109 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:27,560 which the whole of Britain said yeah 110 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:30,260 tell us about it because with 21,000 111 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,680 police officers down across the country 112 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:36,320 this is the norm for most people there's 113 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,720 a trouble looming or a burglary in 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,940 progress called the police and you'll 115 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,730 have to wait quite some time before they 116 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:46,460 arrive so that's one irony the second 117 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:49,160 irony is the Anna Sabri herself has 118 00:05:46,460 --> 00:05:52,070 helped over the last year's generally 119 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,160 some of the poisonous character of 120 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:57,920 public discourse that exists in this 121 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,260 country but my third observation would 122 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:05,450 be they ain't seen nothing yet 123 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:07,520 if brexit is betrayed if seventeen point 124 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:10,000 four million people including millions 125 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,100 with absolutely nothing to lose 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:16,580 feel that they've been cheated out of 127 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:18,740 that which they voted for there's a real 128 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:20,120 risk to social peace in this country and 129 00:06:18,740 --> 00:06:22,310 we the Queen doesn't have enough 130 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,830 soldiers and we don't have enough police 131 00:06:22,310 --> 00:06:27,740 officers to deal with it yeah over to 132 00:06:24,830 --> 00:06:30,260 you yeah and now I'm so broadly long 133 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:34,160 your train of thought with that as it 134 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:37,129 where I have no sympathy generally vanos 135 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:40,129 sober I think she is one of 136 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:42,229 the worst conservative politicians in 137 00:06:40,129 --> 00:06:46,489 terms of the fact that she constantly 138 00:06:42,229 --> 00:06:49,009 presents as this caring concerned trying 139 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:52,129 to run the sort of central line as it 140 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:54,289 were with caring centrism it's caring 141 00:06:52,129 --> 00:06:55,580 centrist and she presents and yet evoke 142 00:06:54,289 --> 00:06:57,050 in boating record shows something 143 00:06:55,580 --> 00:07:00,319 completely differently I think she's a 144 00:06:57,050 --> 00:07:02,349 snake in the glass because don't forget 145 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:05,209 she's a lawyer so she's trained to UM 146 00:07:02,349 --> 00:07:07,909 talk essentially [ __ ] all the time 147 00:07:05,209 --> 00:07:09,679 and I think she's a dangerous politician 148 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:12,050 in terms of like I say because she 149 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:14,119 presents as one thing when in reality 150 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:15,679 she's actually another I'm no fan of 151 00:07:14,119 --> 00:07:17,269 Odin Jones so I think a lot of the 152 00:07:15,679 --> 00:07:21,639 problems on the Left are down to his 153 00:07:17,269 --> 00:07:24,050 kind of school of thoughts this kind of 154 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:27,879 democratic socialism presenting as 155 00:07:24,050 --> 00:07:31,879 radical is not helpful to anyone however 156 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:33,740 nor do I sympathize with the people who 157 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:37,699 abuse them in the street it is 158 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:39,349 unnecessary and it's it's it's not the 159 00:07:37,699 --> 00:07:41,839 counterproductive do raise it doesn't 160 00:07:39,349 --> 00:07:44,449 achieve anything but and by the same way 161 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:47,269 I criticize the same people who go out 162 00:07:44,449 --> 00:07:49,009 on anti-fascist marches with their 163 00:07:47,269 --> 00:07:50,479 stomping boots shouting the far right 164 00:07:49,009 --> 00:07:52,939 now it's not achieving anything all 165 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:56,079 you're doing is taking an immovable 166 00:07:52,939 --> 00:07:59,599 object is ironic isn't it because the 167 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:02,479 the pro-eu forces in Britain have been 168 00:07:59,599 --> 00:08:04,219 calling the rest of us Nazis for the 169 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:07,389 last two years and exactly we wanted out 170 00:08:04,219 --> 00:08:09,949 of the EU and this is the thing so it 171 00:08:07,389 --> 00:08:12,349 should not happen there's an ugly state 172 00:08:09,949 --> 00:08:13,519 of affairs however you have a shoe quite 173 00:08:12,349 --> 00:08:14,929 right in points now you have to look at 174 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:17,149 the reasons how we've come to this place 175 00:08:14,929 --> 00:08:20,269 not least publications like The Daily 176 00:08:17,149 --> 00:08:21,949 Mail who ran an opinion column from a 177 00:08:20,269 --> 00:08:24,559 condom who was with the headline was why 178 00:08:21,949 --> 00:08:26,749 I hate Jeremy Corbyn and his Nazi stooge 179 00:08:24,559 --> 00:08:28,909 from storm troopers remember that I am 180 00:08:26,749 --> 00:08:31,069 and so it's fine for the day that was 181 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:35,120 actually written by a Labour candidate 182 00:08:31,069 --> 00:08:37,880 that's foster yeah multimillionaire 183 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,729 that language is fine obviously because 184 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,469 it's a Daily Mail yeah so and it's about 185 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:45,110 Korbin yeah which is except you know 186 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:47,990 he's arriving anti-semite and racist now 187 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:49,520 so you can scream that in Jeremy Corbyn 188 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:52,490 space but you can't show 189 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:55,010 see an assumed no and nor can you have 190 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:57,290 any context as you say how we've got to 191 00:08:55,010 --> 00:09:00,400 that point not least as we've discussed 192 00:08:57,290 --> 00:09:04,490 on this program before the years of 193 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,200 triangulated Blair Clinton PC which 194 00:09:04,490 --> 00:09:07,760 abandoned working-class communities 195 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,490 which lend led to the abandonment of 196 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,170 labor which then led to the rise of you 197 00:09:10,490 --> 00:09:13,730 Kip which then they took the brexit vote 198 00:09:12,170 --> 00:09:16,640 which then led to the position we see 199 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:17,870 ourselves in now which politicians of 200 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,050 all shapes and colors have to take 201 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:24,260 responsibility for that's in part what 202 00:09:21,050 --> 00:09:26,360 has led to this but also there's there's 203 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:29,360 the gain underlying issue for me which 204 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,610 we see all the time which is what this 205 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,140 incident will now be used for and it 206 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:36,200 will now be used for an increased 207 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:37,820 crackdown on legitimate demonstration 208 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,010 and protest outside Parliament you've 209 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:42,650 already seen 50 MPs have written to 210 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:45,200 proceed a dick head of the net saying 211 00:09:42,650 --> 00:09:46,460 they want her to sort the security and 212 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,470 policing issues surrounding 213 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:50,140 demonstrations and protesters Parliament 214 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:53,030 you know we used to crack down on 215 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:54,920 left-wing protests that's happened on a 216 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:56,420 regular basis outside parliament we're 217 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,080 on eclis we talked about this on my 218 00:09:56,420 --> 00:09:59,840 podcast 219 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,880 the drone incident and Gatwick what I 220 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,110 said on the podcast repeatedly is now 221 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,240 coming true that they're now bringing 222 00:10:03,110 --> 00:10:08,120 anti-drone laws where every drone over 223 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,010 250 grams has to be registered that is 224 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,390 people who use drone for activism and 225 00:10:10,010 --> 00:10:13,670 campaign purposes whether between the 226 00:10:11,390 --> 00:10:15,950 monitor police monitor corporations make 227 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:17,390 independent film sets then now having to 228 00:10:15,950 --> 00:10:20,570 essentially register with the government 229 00:10:17,390 --> 00:10:22,280 for their use and governments always do 230 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:24,440 this well are there any drones by the 231 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,780 way at the end we still don't know do we 232 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,370 no no apparently apparently that 233 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:31,690 couldn't be none at all that happened 234 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:37,940 while we were on our hiatus exactly but 235 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:40,610 the entire economy of Britain in the 236 00:10:37,940 --> 00:10:44,870 aviation sector I've gotten brought to a 237 00:10:40,610 --> 00:10:47,900 halt because of repeated sightings of 238 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:52,100 drones that may well have been police 239 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:55,820 drones looking for other drugs and the 240 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:58,870 airport had no defense mechanism against 241 00:10:55,820 --> 00:11:02,350 drones flying over the runways and 242 00:10:58,870 --> 00:11:06,150 potentially causing an aviation 243 00:11:02,350 --> 00:11:08,560 hasta yet they've got inside the airport 244 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:11,260 hundreds of millions of pounds worth of 245 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,460 security precautions there are armed 246 00:11:11,260 --> 00:11:14,920 police everywhere 247 00:11:12,460 --> 00:11:17,320 if only the terrorists knew that they 248 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:22,150 could have brought the airports to their 249 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:24,730 knees with a 1299 Rhona of how far 250 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:27,310 exactly it's ridiculous but and and and 251 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:29,920 by the way while we were off the dragged 252 00:11:27,310 --> 00:11:32,320 a totally innocent couple now yes 253 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,810 unsuspecting blinking into the light are 254 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,300 these the morons who destroyed Christmas 255 00:11:34,810 --> 00:11:41,710 I said the front page of The Daily Mail 256 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:43,870 to which the answer was no it was yes 257 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:48,190 that that story was fascinating last 258 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:53,440 year but and back to super Ian Jones 259 00:11:48,190 --> 00:12:00,540 yeah well of course lead to that it will 260 00:11:53,440 --> 00:12:05,350 also be their attempt to generate more 261 00:12:00,540 --> 00:12:06,850 angst about brexit as a result you see 262 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:09,400 these are the kind of people that 263 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:12,280 support brexit although actually the 264 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:16,110 euro fanatics outside parliament weaving 265 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:19,600 their EU flags running after journalists 266 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:22,890 photo bombing every television shock 267 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:26,260 then all that agro has come from the pro 268 00:12:22,890 --> 00:12:29,770 remainder people but it will be used as 269 00:12:26,260 --> 00:12:33,300 a stick to beat brexit with but i repeat 270 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:35,950 myself it's a somber warning the 271 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:38,260 opposite influences one should be drawn 272 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:40,780 and that was yes and that's my kind of 273 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:42,430 final point on this if you like I think 274 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:44,890 you're correct in the implications for 275 00:12:42,430 --> 00:12:47,230 where we are headed with this and I 276 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:49,720 don't see anything on the landscape in 277 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:51,550 my opinion this is going to be effective 278 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,520 to counter this I mean you only have to 279 00:12:51,550 --> 00:12:57,040 look at the people behind these protests 280 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,590 and and and the abuse of silence and so 281 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,650 Briand Jones and they're claiming to be 282 00:12:59,590 --> 00:13:05,200 the yellow vest movement in the UK these 283 00:13:02,650 --> 00:13:07,960 people yeah and now this is also a major 284 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,450 concern they do just too much to go into 285 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,280 for this segment now but there's also a 286 00:13:10,450 --> 00:13:13,620 narrative to be had about what's going 287 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,089 on with the attempts of the 288 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,040 best movement in this country because 289 00:13:15,089 --> 00:13:20,610 one the one and you've got this small 290 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,860 group of far-right Tommy Robertson 291 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:24,450 supporters claiming the carrying their 292 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:26,430 mantle of being the yellow vests 293 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:29,370 movement then by contrast you've got 294 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:30,839 People's Assembly on Saturday 12th of 295 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:33,779 January who were going to do in their 296 00:13:30,839 --> 00:13:35,220 own yellow vest movement and for me is 297 00:13:33,779 --> 00:13:36,900 that they're going to wear young yes 298 00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:41,339 well if they are then that's good 299 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:43,589 because if you create a vacuum other 300 00:13:41,339 --> 00:13:45,779 people will fill it and if the left 301 00:13:43,589 --> 00:13:48,990 doesn't take to the streets and the kind 302 00:13:45,779 --> 00:13:52,470 of protest scene in France - one hopes 303 00:13:48,990 --> 00:13:57,029 violence and destruction then the right 304 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:59,250 wing will do it is but it's it's 305 00:13:57,029 --> 00:14:02,700 People's Assembly and my issue with that 306 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:04,650 is that it's losing the whole what why 307 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:06,450 it worked in France was because it was 308 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:07,650 spontaneous and all new people having 309 00:14:06,450 --> 00:14:11,150 the grievance was you have a peaceful 310 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:13,410 assembly who at the top of their 311 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:16,170 organizational tree have people in 312 00:14:13,410 --> 00:14:17,910 full-time jobs being paid to organize 313 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:21,000 this [ __ ] they then go and pay 314 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:22,950 Westminster Council at least 20,000 315 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,680 pounds for the privilege of marching as 316 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:27,720 I knows I've seen their [ __ ] books 317 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,860 and it just dis dissipates the whole 318 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,380 point of the yell at let's move and 319 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:32,970 that's my concern that in and it's a 320 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:35,580 microcosm I think of the problem we have 321 00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:36,870 in Britain that the whole notion of 322 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:39,480 working-class solidarity and 323 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:42,930 working-class organization is completely 324 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,570 lost it's been co-opted out to either 325 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:48,420 the far-right or the middle classes 326 00:14:45,570 --> 00:14:49,860 University educators who who take 327 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:51,950 something like what's happening in 328 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:54,240 France and make it into their own 329 00:14:51,950 --> 00:14:55,470 money-making scheme essentially because 330 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,709 I'm afraid that's what people's assembly 331 00:14:55,470 --> 00:15:00,209 is they literally have people they pay 332 00:14:57,709 --> 00:15:02,880 people are on the earner from people 333 00:15:00,209 --> 00:15:05,310 specifically and the whole point of it 334 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,160 is lost and people are go go johny die 335 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:10,020 out yes that would be unfortunate I 336 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,970 don't know anything about the People's 337 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:14,070 Assembly I've never been invited to it I 338 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:16,050 have no contact with it I don't know who 339 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:18,240 runs it don't know who these people are 340 00:15:16,050 --> 00:15:21,400 that are organizing it but of course I 341 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:26,100 know the kind of thing to which you 342 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:29,950 and if Saturday is a demonstration of 343 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:32,560 you know peaceniks and liberals that 344 00:15:29,950 --> 00:15:35,950 will not capture the spirit at all of 345 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:38,620 the yellow vests movement it will be 346 00:15:35,950 --> 00:15:43,240 still what while going and I hope that 347 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:46,089 people go to it I won't be going myself 348 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,770 I only go if I'm allowed to speak at 349 00:15:46,089 --> 00:15:52,150 things and I'm not allowed to speak at 350 00:15:47,770 --> 00:15:57,040 this but I hope people go in significant 351 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:59,170 numbers because it will assist the 352 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,990 worldwide Sunday European wide movement 353 00:15:59,170 --> 00:16:04,600 that is going on now to reject the 354 00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:07,600 prevailing orthodoxy to reject austerity 355 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:12,850 reject neoliberalism reject our 356 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:16,450 governments demand the dimmest yandi de 357 00:16:12,850 --> 00:16:19,330 cachet of the of the leaders that we 358 00:16:16,450 --> 00:16:21,820 have but the People's Assembly ain't 359 00:16:19,330 --> 00:16:22,360 going to storm the Bastille that's for 360 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:24,210 sure 361 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,130 you can't storm the Bastille 362 00:16:24,210 --> 00:16:29,980 metaphorically speaking unless the 363 00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:34,060 people from the estates the working 364 00:16:29,980 --> 00:16:35,320 class the real song culotte the real 365 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:37,630 songs co-opted 366 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:42,420 unless they're on the demonstration 367 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:45,820 unless workers unemployed workers 368 00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:47,770 tenants unless the mass of the people 369 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:49,870 are on the street you ain't going to be 370 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:52,630 overthrowing any government yep 371 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:55,779 but still it's a worthwhile effort and 372 00:16:52,630 --> 00:16:57,400 you know I wish it well I'm sorry most 373 00:16:55,779 --> 00:16:58,540 skeptical and I don't wish it well and 374 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,310 afraid I've been on one too many 375 00:16:58,540 --> 00:17:03,730 People's Assembly marches and I care to 376 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:06,069 remember and that my patience has been 377 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:07,540 lost with them not least because on 378 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:09,429 several marches there's numerous issues 379 00:17:07,540 --> 00:17:12,250 with disability access they don't even 380 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:14,199 give a thought to disabled people and 381 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:17,439 purely for the fact that we have had 382 00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:20,800 enough organized paid a to be marches 383 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:23,500 now and it is merely firstly watering 384 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,030 down the left and what it should be 385 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,699 standing for and what we should be 386 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:30,010 focusing on and be because it's so 387 00:17:27,699 --> 00:17:32,050 unrepresentative of actual working-class 388 00:17:30,010 --> 00:17:32,870 move they've organized [ __ ] coaches 389 00:17:32,050 --> 00:17:34,520 and it is 390 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:36,650 people coming down from across the 391 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,150 country for a nice jolly day out they 392 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:40,520 bring the packed lunches they probably 393 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:42,110 go to Preta Monge after water no your 394 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,710 get back start with the romaine March 395 00:17:42,110 --> 00:17:47,900 they're all the [ __ ] same and it's 396 00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:50,750 the time is done for these kind of 397 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:53,059 marches and I find it insulting to the 398 00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:55,250 people of France the People's Assembly 399 00:17:53,059 --> 00:17:57,200 have co-opted the yellow vest movement 400 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:58,670 and I have no qualms without saying that 401 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,710 on camera I'm done with People's 402 00:17:58,670 --> 00:18:03,200 Assembly then it I'm very irritated very 403 00:18:00,710 --> 00:18:08,929 interesting I need to reflect on mantan 404 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:11,360 or you said that as any self-respecting 405 00:18:08,929 --> 00:18:13,220 revolutionary socialists will know the 406 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,929 essential magazine titles it should be 407 00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:17,540 on your coffee table our of course the 408 00:18:14,929 --> 00:18:20,510 Morningstar red pepper and and this 409 00:18:17,540 --> 00:18:23,330 dexter's London property perfectional us 410 00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:25,340 now having a frantic finger through the 411 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:27,440 pages of Dexter's this January I 412 00:18:25,340 --> 00:18:30,260 stumbled across a property in Buckingham 413 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,970 Gate sw1 which is a a classic white 414 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:34,520 fronted house directly opposite that 415 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:36,170 score the palace up for sale well it's 416 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,210 directly opposite Buckingham Palace 417 00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:39,950 George and adjacent Susan James Park 418 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:41,720 there are eight bedrooms the double 419 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:43,610 height glass atrium courtyard gardens 420 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,610 far away with Paul's father and Jim 421 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:48,590 there's also staff accommodation don't 422 00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:50,570 you know I'm ready for us to breakfast 423 00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:53,600 it's a private garage on parking this 424 00:18:50,570 --> 00:18:57,970 can all be yours for the measly major 425 00:18:53,600 --> 00:19:01,400 price of 62 and a half million quid burn 426 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:03,050 actually doing that it's million quid 427 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,580 sixty two and a half million pounds for 428 00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:06,800 a property in sw1 429 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:08,840 now as I say it should be always a 430 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,360 normal copy of red pepper alongside that 431 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:15,110 now this is of course coming at the same 432 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:17,270 time as shelter charity produce their 433 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:19,250 overarching reports into the crisis and 434 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:23,120 social housing in this country it was a 435 00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:25,250 cross-party drawn up project which had 436 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,170 the likes of Ed Miliband from one side 437 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:30,020 and Baroness Varzi from another side 438 00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:31,429 coming together to work out a plan for 439 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:32,600 the government for social housing and 440 00:19:31,429 --> 00:19:33,760 given recommendations of the 441 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,590 Conservative Party needs to be 442 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,360 implementing the headlines you will all 443 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:40,280 have sinned them because it was all over 444 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:42,880 social media on Tuesday headlines are 445 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,190 that we need to build build 3.1 million 446 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,279 social ham houses by I think 2030 447 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:50,720 to meet demand there needs to be 448 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:53,870 organized renters unions there needs to 449 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,720 be a new omnis ombudsman like the Office 450 00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:58,879 for Budget Responsibility who monitor 451 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,879 what's going on with spending in social 452 00:19:58,879 --> 00:20:03,529 housing and numerous others measures 453 00:20:01,879 --> 00:20:07,549 which shelters are saying needs to be 454 00:20:03,529 --> 00:20:09,470 implemented now for me while this is 455 00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:11,029 obviously welcomed at so conversations 456 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:13,789 being had about social housing because 457 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:15,169 it is one of the crises that is 458 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:17,419 affecting this country and has affected 459 00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:19,549 this country for many years for me the 460 00:20:17,419 --> 00:20:21,409 reporting go far enough it didn't 461 00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:23,870 address the fact for starters that the 462 00:20:21,409 --> 00:20:26,659 Conservative government's have taken 463 00:20:23,870 --> 00:20:28,669 away housing associations statuses 464 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:31,009 charities and put them back into the 465 00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:33,110 private sector allowing them firstly to 466 00:20:31,009 --> 00:20:35,899 access private debt again so they can 467 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:38,269 take on loads of loans to build a few 468 00:20:35,899 --> 00:20:40,159 properties but also it takes various 469 00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:43,549 obligations away from housing 470 00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:46,460 associations nor did it do anything to 471 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:48,769 address the fact that there is still a 472 00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:51,429 mismatch in the property market between 473 00:20:48,769 --> 00:20:54,500 what people can afford and what people 474 00:20:51,429 --> 00:20:55,970 are actually having to pay and also for 475 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,350 me it just buys into this notion because 476 00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:59,960 a lot of the report was about how people 477 00:20:57,350 --> 00:21:02,389 are locked out of owning their own 478 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:05,000 properties and this obsession in this 479 00:21:02,389 --> 00:21:06,889 country with mortgages and with property 480 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,509 as some sort of thing that is it's like 481 00:21:06,889 --> 00:21:10,129 a pair of socks that we all should have 482 00:21:08,509 --> 00:21:12,799 and if we don't happen and there's 483 00:21:10,129 --> 00:21:14,860 something wrong with us needs to end so 484 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:17,240 for me the report wasn't radical enough 485 00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:21,500 that's me so obviously it wasn't gonna 486 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:24,889 be pretty radical like you I come from a 487 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:28,940 council house background I lived in a 488 00:21:24,889 --> 00:21:31,490 slum with an outside toilet sharing the 489 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:34,580 outside toilet with five other families 490 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:39,440 and we got moved to a brand new council 491 00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:42,470 house with a bath never mind an inside 492 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:45,470 toilet but there's only so much time you 493 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:49,309 can spend in the bath and if you are 494 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:52,100 moved to a council estate where there is 495 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:56,299 nothing else except houses with baths in 496 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:58,980 them then alienation and dissatisfaction 497 00:21:56,299 --> 00:22:02,520 of course soon grows and the devil 498 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:05,549 work for idle hands so I'm the last to 499 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:08,190 say that just building millions of 500 00:22:05,549 --> 00:22:09,870 council houses will be the answer to all 501 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:11,880 our prayers but it will be the answer to 502 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:15,480 some of them yep it'll be the answer to 503 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,730 the ultra high rents and the private 504 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,320 sector in many places and certainly 505 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:25,350 including London it will bring down 506 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,660 houses for sale prices because if there 507 00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:30,030 are more options to rent there are fewer 508 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:33,150 people chasing the properties that are 509 00:22:30,030 --> 00:22:35,070 available and so the obscene escalation 510 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:37,410 like you I've looked at that dexter's 511 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:40,380 I'm sorry to tell you that that's not 512 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:43,500 the most expensive house in the magazine 513 00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:48,210 the most explosive is in Westminster ok 514 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:52,799 and it is 82 million pounds that is to 515 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:57,179 say looking in all but the very very top 516 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:59,520 weeks of the EuroMillions lottery you 517 00:22:57,179 --> 00:23:03,179 would win the lottery and still not be 518 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,710 able to buy one house to ever mind do 519 00:23:03,179 --> 00:23:07,470 anything else would never mind giving 520 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:10,169 any of a way or looking after your 521 00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:14,070 future you couldn't buy one house in 522 00:23:10,169 --> 00:23:16,290 London in Westminster for a euromillions 523 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:19,590 windfall of course that's the extreme 524 00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:25,790 end of the market but there's I in that 525 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:31,500 very same magazine a one-bedroom flat in 526 00:23:25,790 --> 00:23:34,260 angel Islington for 600,000 pounds pH 527 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:37,710 Attell don't you know for 600,000 pounds 528 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:40,049 this is unsustainable yeah because of 529 00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:44,100 course people can only afford to buy it 530 00:23:40,049 --> 00:23:47,309 by taking on monumental debt the 531 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:50,370 slightest dip in the economy will turn 532 00:23:47,309 --> 00:23:53,190 these kind of properties into subprime 533 00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:59,490 and then you're on the brink of another 534 00:23:53,190 --> 00:24:01,770 10 2008 collapse so of course if you're 535 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:03,299 looking at this holistically it's not 536 00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:06,179 going to be solved just by building more 537 00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:07,250 roofs but it cannot be solved without 538 00:24:06,179 --> 00:24:09,140 building 539 00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:11,870 those more new roofs but I want to test 540 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:14,300 you on something you use the term social 541 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:17,600 housing I used the term council house 542 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:19,790 yeah now sadly I am old enough to be 543 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,940 able to say I told you so 544 00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:25,310 hmm I was there when they started 545 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:28,100 selling council houses and I warned that 546 00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:31,480 it would lead exactly ineluctably where 547 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:34,730 it has led I was there when the left 548 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:37,370 came up with the idea of housing 549 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:40,580 associations I denounced them this is 550 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:43,790 for the cognoscenti as tea tourism at 551 00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:47,900 the time a deviation from socialism that 552 00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:50,690 would only could only end in market 553 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:53,200 economics and a return to capitalism and 554 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:56,030 again that is exactly what has happened 555 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,430 these housing associations have taken 556 00:24:56,030 --> 00:25:01,280 the place of the council as your 557 00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:03,860 landlord our Democratic landlord that 558 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,370 you can vote for and vote out if you're 559 00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:11,480 not happy these housing associations 560 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:14,000 began as public bodies but inevitably 561 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,700 they became less and less public and now 562 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,850 they're entirely private yet and they've 563 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:22,970 actually taken up the lion's share of 564 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:27,650 social house buildings such as there has 565 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:31,760 been over these last 30 to 40 years 566 00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:34,490 so I'm old-fashioned yep I believe we 567 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,440 need council houses yes and this is the 568 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:38,390 crux of the matter no it's completely 569 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,930 agree with you this is my main issue 570 00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:43,760 with this the fact that it is your right 571 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:46,070 because social housing just comes out of 572 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,970 my mouth naturally and this fits because 573 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:51,770 and somewhat of my age yeah you have 574 00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:53,780 you've called cancer it's called social 575 00:25:51,770 --> 00:25:55,340 housing and you just comes out my mouth 576 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:58,400 and this is the crux of the problem the 577 00:25:55,340 --> 00:26:01,700 report from shelter mentions nothing 578 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,920 about the fact that we should be moving 579 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:07,220 towards council housing where as you 580 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:09,140 quite rightly say you can vote out your 581 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:11,930 landlord if you don't like them it does 582 00:26:09,140 --> 00:26:14,420 say it talks about possible Mutual's and 583 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:16,660 co-op arrangements um where people can 584 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:18,360 invest in their own small community 585 00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:20,460 housing 586 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,890 projects if you like it also talks about 587 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:25,260 accountability of housing associations 588 00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:27,320 and how the the ombudsman that should be 589 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:29,670 created should monitor the standards of 590 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,220 Housing Association and housing 591 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:33,960 providers but it still doesn't do 592 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:36,390 anything to address as you said the fact 593 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,310 that these are for profits now companies 594 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:39,870 and to be honest when they had charity 595 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:42,210 stages if you dig deep enough 596 00:26:39,870 --> 00:26:44,460 they were always full anyway that has 597 00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:46,020 subsidiaries which profit which money 598 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:48,030 gets filtered in through which is a 599 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:49,500 profit-making entity and though what's 600 00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:51,870 happening profit-making it's just now in 601 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:54,150 name they are private so now all of 602 00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:56,970 these now open emotive profit-making but 603 00:26:54,150 --> 00:27:01,200 let me give you a banal example it's 604 00:26:56,970 --> 00:27:04,050 banal but telling if you are in a 605 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:07,230 council house and you've got two voters 606 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:11,040 in your house and there's a or ten 607 00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:13,950 voters in your building and you go and 608 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,860 see your counselor and you tell them 609 00:27:13,950 --> 00:27:18,900 that the repair to the building has not 610 00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:22,320 been done or it's not been done well 611 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:24,750 enough or your repair in your house has 612 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:29,820 not been attended to properly the 613 00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:32,550 counselor has to jump to kick ass make 614 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:34,890 sure it's done why because you have the 615 00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:37,770 power to sack him yeah you don't have 616 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:40,320 that power over a Housing Association of 617 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:42,720 Knowshon exact Ora or or a private 618 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,880 landlord no and then that's up there on 619 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,130 the other foot privately that that is a 620 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,070 crucial point in this as well but I mean 621 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:52,380 also broadly this report it says 3.1 622 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:56,220 million that is based on how many people 623 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:58,800 will be coming into a situation which is 624 00:27:56,220 --> 00:28:00,660 considered dire enough that they will 625 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,270 need social housing it's their estimate 626 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:07,500 on how many families and people and will 627 00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:09,780 need in terms of government rhetoric and 628 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:11,610 sorry government language of needs or 629 00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:13,860 rather what the parameters are for 630 00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:16,200 needing social housing how many people 631 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:19,230 will need it not how many people would 632 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,150 benefit from social housing who are 633 00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:23,250 currently stuck in the private rentals 634 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:25,080 well again this is sorry and I have to 635 00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:27,270 say this they're not stopping right to 636 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,430 buy either there's no recommendation to 637 00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:30,659 end right to buy pointless is this going 638 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:32,940 to salt I mean currently 639 00:28:30,659 --> 00:28:34,289 it stands I think I mean the council 640 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:35,849 house waiting lists numbers have dropped 641 00:28:34,289 --> 00:28:38,369 I remember when I first started writing 642 00:28:35,849 --> 00:28:40,379 maths in 2014 there was 1.9 million on 643 00:28:38,369 --> 00:28:42,809 council waiting lists I think it's down 644 00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:44,899 to between 1 and 1.2 million now so 645 00:28:42,809 --> 00:28:47,460 either way there's still a million 646 00:28:44,899 --> 00:28:49,289 households that's not people households 647 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:52,019 waiting for social housing in this 648 00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:54,269 country right now 3 million over the 649 00:28:52,019 --> 00:28:55,859 next I don't know millions more that 650 00:28:54,269 --> 00:29:01,109 would benefit exactly and this is the 651 00:28:55,859 --> 00:29:04,349 point this this definition of council 652 00:29:01,109 --> 00:29:07,859 housing social housing as a sink estate 653 00:29:04,349 --> 00:29:10,019 where you fall into when you fall 654 00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:13,080 through the bottom of every other market 655 00:29:10,019 --> 00:29:16,649 is a profound misconception and it's a 656 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:19,889 peculiarly British disease if you go to 657 00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:21,720 Paris virtually nobody owns the house 658 00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:24,029 that they live you go to Germany 659 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,979 eventually nobody owns the house in 660 00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:28,739 which they live they rent them why 661 00:29:25,979 --> 00:29:32,279 should you tie up your whole life in the 662 00:29:28,739 --> 00:29:34,139 equity of a piece of mission or exactly 663 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:36,299 what you could do with your life exactly 664 00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:38,399 it is it's a very British phenomenon as 665 00:29:36,299 --> 00:29:39,869 you say and it goes against you'll know 666 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,489 better than I do what's labour 667 00:29:39,869 --> 00:29:44,609 politicians said this we were know 668 00:29:41,489 --> 00:29:46,710 created social council housing the guy 669 00:29:44,609 --> 00:29:49,229 said so something about the doctor and 670 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:51,149 the Midwife and the teacher and the work 671 00:29:49,229 --> 00:29:55,080 all living on the same street wasn't it 672 00:29:51,149 --> 00:29:57,029 and but it was Thatcherism ultimate 673 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,359 lives that sort of near liberals or was 674 00:29:57,029 --> 00:30:02,309 a cargo tell I was there Thatcher 675 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:07,049 introduced the right to buy I was a 676 00:30:02,309 --> 00:30:12,659 labor organizer at the time I led our 677 00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:14,899 refusal to sell we were taken to law by 678 00:30:12,659 --> 00:30:17,639 the Tory government by malcolm rifkind 679 00:30:14,899 --> 00:30:21,450 it's the first time but not the last i 680 00:30:17,639 --> 00:30:24,239 became his enemy and they brought in a 681 00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:29,249 judge to hold an inquiry into our 682 00:30:24,239 --> 00:30:33,029 refusal to sell the inquiry was mobbed 683 00:30:29,249 --> 00:30:36,479 and occupied by the troops by us and 684 00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:39,479 brought to a grinding halt and 685 00:30:36,479 --> 00:30:41,940 eventually only on pain of actually 686 00:30:39,479 --> 00:30:44,640 going to prison did our counselors 687 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:47,040 reluctantly agree to 688 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,550 CEL and then made it as difficult as 689 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:53,220 possible to sell but you know what it's 690 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:55,170 like the same with solitude it's a 691 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:57,600 dramatic comparison but with the 692 00:30:55,170 --> 00:31:00,660 occupied territories in in Israel 693 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,270 Palestine once they've been occupied for 694 00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:06,930 a long time and once they've been paved 695 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:09,360 and lit and the swimming pools and the 696 00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:11,880 sprinklers and the gardens and so on are 697 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,030 all in place it's very difficult to go 698 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,340 back into the status quo ante and that's 699 00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:19,440 what's happened with the right to buy so 700 00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:24,030 I'm not against people owning their own 701 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:27,540 home though I caution against it but you 702 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:30,210 can only aspire to own your own home or 703 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:33,350 join the rat race in the private rented 704 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:36,300 sector if there's no publicly available 705 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:38,820 alternative and mayor after mirror in 706 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:41,430 London I don't mean to be London centric 707 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:44,150 about this but mayor after mayor in 708 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:46,650 London including Ken Livingstone 709 00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:51,300 certainly Boris Johnson and definitely 710 00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:56,520 Sadiq Khan have completely failed even 711 00:31:51,300 --> 00:32:01,380 with their own very limited programs and 712 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:04,370 manifestos for 20% social housing in all 713 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:08,820 new developments 50% was Ken's 714 00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:12,240 aspiration never remotely came near 50 715 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:16,260 Johnson's was I think 20 or 25 never 716 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:19,110 remotely nearly cons was 10 not remotely 717 00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:22,080 near it so that every new development 718 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:26,880 that is being built on precious scarce 719 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:29,100 land is overwhelmingly for the richest 720 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,670 people in London or the most indebted 721 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:36,090 people in London because let's not 722 00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:41,700 forget what the word mortgage means in 723 00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:43,860 French it means the grip of death well 724 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,320 that's all the time we've got for the 725 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:50,550 first edition of topple Galloway first 726 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,800 edition of 2019 many more I hope to come 727 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:55,170 happy New Year to you Steve and I mean 728 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,440 that sincerely not in the Reverend I am 729 00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:59,059 jolly we 730 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,710 yes and to you too and don't forget to 731 00:32:59,059 --> 00:33:02,570 everyone if you want to get involved you 732 00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:05,210 can tweet us using the hashtag toggle 733 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:07,880 Galloway and it's at mr. toggle at 734 00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:10,850 George Galloway and also we'll be in 735 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,679 Neath on stage yes we're treading the 736 00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:13,940 boards friend I haven't done that since 737 00:33:12,679 --> 00:33:17,059 I was 16 738 00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:19,460 what's the last show I was in I played 739 00:33:17,059 --> 00:33:22,940 Jesus in Godspell I have no doubt that 740 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:25,220 oh I did and I would expect no less 741 00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:27,650 I was Jesus God that's the last time I I 742 00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:30,559 walked on a theater stage so this will 743 00:33:27,650 --> 00:33:32,120 be this will be a somewhat and yes I'm 744 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,760 thinking of how it's a great opening 745 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:41,299 like that on stage Jesus no he's John 746 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:44,900 the Baptist well I am going to appear 747 00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:47,690 with Jesus at the Gwynn Hall in Neath 748 00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:51,880 and you can get the tickets online from 749 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:51,880 the hall it's going to be great yes 750 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:58,950 [Music]