1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,799 I'm George Galloway, member of 2 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:08,160 parliament, anti-war leader, and this 3 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:10,639 broadcast is being made by Malaka Media. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,519 But you could feed back at me on what 5 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:16,480 I've got to say on Twitter, George 6 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:19,760 Galloway, on Facebook. The page is 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:22,800 called George Galloway MP. I've just 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,519 come back from Tunisia. I was only there 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:29,679 a couple of days, so I can't claim to 10 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:33,440 have seen everything or everybody. But I 11 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:37,600 saw and heard and learned enough to know 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:40,559 that Tunisia is the flower of the Arab 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:44,239 Revolution, the only flower that has 14 00:00:40,559 --> 00:00:47,600 grown and is still growing in the Arab 15 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:50,800 Spring. The credit for that goes to a 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:54,399 lot of people. First of all, it goes to 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,640 the Tunisian people as a whole who 18 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:00,559 conducted their revolution with 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:03,920 exemplary discipline and determination. 20 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:08,000 It also goes to the political leadership 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:11,280 of that revolution. I was for many years 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:15,280 here in London, a comrade of Sheikh 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:18,320 Rashid Ganushi who was an exile here and 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:21,439 who had no reason to imagine that he 25 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:25,040 would ever go home. But he patiently 26 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:28,320 developed an ideological stance here in 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Britain and a strategic sense of the 28 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:35,920 need for people like him to unify broad 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:38,400 forces in their country in order to 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,840 bring about a transformation from 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,159 dictatorship to democracy. I'm very 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:48,640 proud of my friendship with Sheikh 33 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:53,439 Rashid Ganushi. He when he returned led 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:56,560 his party Ina to a very substantial 35 00:01:53,439 --> 00:02:00,240 electoral victory. But they gave up 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:04,240 office when it became clear that things 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:07,520 were rocky in the garden of the Tunisian 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:12,080 revolution and that in order to preserve 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:16,319 unity and stability, a step back by him 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:20,080 and the Nda was necessary. And so I take 41 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:23,680 my hat off to Sheikh Rashid Ganushi for 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,040 the current situation in Tunisia which 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,280 is just for those who don't know a 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,640 bustling revolutionary 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,640 society where people can speak and 46 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:39,200 assemble freely where a proliferation of 47 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:43,920 newspapers, radio stations, television 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:45,120 stations are literally the uh the 49 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:48,800 expression 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:51,840 of chairman Ma Tong's famous phrase that 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:55,280 a revolution is one in which a thousand 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,800 flowers must grow and that a thousand 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,959 schools of thought must contend. It 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,000 wasn't entirely lived up to in 55 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:06,959 revolutionary China but so far at least 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,599 it is being lived up to in Tunisia. 57 00:03:06,959 --> 00:03:13,120 There is a political space there, a 58 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:16,400 civic society there, a freedom there 59 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:19,040 that doesn't exist anywhere else in the 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,640 Arab world with the possible exception 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:26,560 of Lebanon, which is as always a bit of 62 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:29,200 a special case. But I'm not here to talk 63 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,920 about Lebanon. I'm here to talk about 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:34,400 Tunisia. There are other political 65 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:36,879 forces of course who have played their 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,599 role. The interim president, Marzuki, 67 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:42,319 who is currently one of the last two 68 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:45,360 candidates running to be the elected 69 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:49,440 president of the republic, also must 70 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:53,440 take a lot of the credit. He has helped 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,760 to create this island of stability 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,439 whilst still going through a 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:04,799 revolutionary process in Tunisia. and 74 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:06,720 Sepsi, the one who leads the coalition 75 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:10,480 which includes people on the left, 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:13,920 people amongst nationalist uh uh uh 77 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:16,160 schools of thought and I'm sorry to say 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,600 people from the old regime, the old 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,919 dictatorship uh of uh Ben Ali, the 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,160 president who was overthrown in the 81 00:04:21,919 --> 00:04:29,360 first of the Arab revolutions. Sebi won 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:32,800 the elections not by a vast amount but 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:35,440 clearly he leads the leading party in 84 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,160 the state in the parliament. He could 85 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,880 have if he was like some other Arab 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,560 leaders he could have said that he was 87 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,520 going to rule alone. But he has learned 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,720 from Shehikh Rashid Ganushi that leading 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:54,720 alone unless you have absolutely 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:57,759 enormous hegammonic support in a country 91 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,400 is not going to work. So he has declared 92 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:02,560 that he is ready to work with the 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,000 opposition and include them in the 94 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:10,080 politics of the state. I have never met 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,880 Marzuki or Sebi. I have no personal acts 96 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,600 to grind against any of them or any 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,960 particular preference for either of 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:22,240 them. Though I must say that Marzuki's 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:25,280 views on many things, including Syria, 100 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,919 are not my own. But nonetheless, I'm 101 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:30,160 hoping that Marzuki wins the 102 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:33,120 presidential runoff which is taking 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,199 place in just a couple of weeks time. 104 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,600 I'm hoping that he will win because I 105 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:40,880 think that he more authentically 106 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:44,639 represents the revolutionary spirit of 107 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:48,240 the people of Tunisia. I think that 108 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:51,919 Sebi, a figure from the old regime, from 109 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:56,479 the old dictatorship, is not really the 110 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:58,240 man who can best lead Tunisia into the 111 00:05:56,479 --> 00:06:01,759 postrevolutionary 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:05,440 future. There are too many dangers in, 113 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:08,400 as we've seen in Egypt, an old regime 114 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:11,759 coming back. In Egypt, we have the 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:15,440 frankly absurd situation since my last 116 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:18,960 broadcast that the old dictator Mubarak 117 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:21,600 has been cleared of all charges whilst 118 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,960 the actual president of Egypt, President 119 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:28,880 Morsi, is on trial for his life and 120 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:33,039 being held in dark and dank conditions. 121 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:36,080 I'm not comparing Sebi with the new 122 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:39,039 regime in Egypt. I've already said I 123 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,840 think that Sebi has displayed a deafness 124 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:44,240 and a sophistication in his political 125 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:47,039 approach that's quite different from 126 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,440 that which exists elsewhere in the Arab 127 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:52,000 world. Nonetheless, I think that a 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,759 figure from the old regime of Ben Ali 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:58,720 cannot possibly be the best of the two 130 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:00,800 candidates running in this election. 131 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Neither of these two candidates of 132 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:06,720 course is an Islamist. Neither of them 133 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:10,240 are supporters of Sheikh Rashid Ganushi. 134 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,919 So this is not about an Islamist versus 135 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:16,639 a secularist. They are both secularists. 136 00:07:13,919 --> 00:07:20,000 They are both people who accept the 137 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:25,120 verdict of the Tunisian people and their 138 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:27,919 revolution. So I'm aiming this broadcast 139 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,800 at the many people in Tunisia by the 140 00:07:27,919 --> 00:07:32,880 grace of God who listen to me. Tunisia 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,520 is the second biggest country in the 142 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,479 whole world amongst my followers of 143 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:42,080 almost 1 million people on social media. 144 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:45,840 Tunis is after London the second biggest 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:48,720 city of my followers on social media. 146 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:52,479 And I'm aiming this message at them. I'm 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:56,000 aing it I'm aiming it at men of the left 148 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:59,919 like me. I'm aiming it of supporters of 149 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:04,080 the idea of Arab national unity like 150 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:06,720 myself and to them I say that Marzuki 151 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,520 has to be the better of the two 152 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,639 candidates. Neither of them is bad. 153 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,199 Neither of them is overwhelmingly good. 154 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:19,120 But you have a choice between candidate 155 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:22,160 A and candidate B. And I'm here to say 156 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:25,360 to you that if like me you are a 157 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:28,000 progressive in politics, if like me you 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,000 are a leftist in politics, if like me 159 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,919 you support the idea of Arab 160 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,479 nationalism, then the man best able to 161 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:39,519 lead Tunisia in a way which will 162 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:42,800 preserve the space not just for those 163 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:45,760 schools of thought but respect the other 164 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,519 schools of thought all of whom must be 165 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,399 allowed to contend. 166 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:53,440 If the goals of the Tunisian revolution 167 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:56,880 are to be maintained, you should vote 168 00:08:53,440 --> 00:09:00,560 for Marzuki. So there's anybody in 169 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:04,000 Tunisia in want of my advice, my advice 170 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:06,800 is clear that though neither of these 171 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:10,399 candidates would be any kind of disaster 172 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,040 for Tunisia, Marzuki is definitely the 173 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:16,080 better of the two candidates. So, in the 174 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,800 runoff for the Tunisian presidency, if 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,800 you listen to me, you'll vote for 176 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,800 Marzuki.